2012 Kentucky Derby future book odds

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Really? Ignore who his sire is and he hasn't exactly run a good race yet. Seems pretty low at this point based on what he has shown on the track.

His sire has nothing to do with why I think he's a legit derby contender. It is a reason I'm a fan of the horse, but I am able to keep those two seperate.

I think his first race was very promising, and believe it or not, I found encouragement from his win the other day.

I am not saying he's the next Secretariat. Just that I think he's one of the three or four most promising 2yos I've seen this crop, in the context of being a derby threat (based on distance ability, he's very green and still running well, etc.).

I don't think he's the type of horse that needs to run big numbers right now.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

His sire has nothing to do with why I think he's a legit derby contender. It is a reason I'm a fan of the horse, but I am able to keep those two seperate.

I think his first race was very promising, and believe it or not, I found encouragement from his win the other day.

I am not saying he's the next Secretariat. Just that I think he's one of the three or four most promising 2yos I've seen this crop, in the context of being a derby threat (based on distance ability, he's very green and still running well, etc.).

I don't think he's the type of horse that needs to run big numbers right now.

Legit Derby contender or not, 75-1 seems like an underlay on him at this point in time in my opinion.

No offense intended, but I don't think you are able to separate your being a fan and how you rate horses. If this horse had a different sire you wouldn't be nearly as interested in him as you are.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Legit Derby contender or not, 75-1 seems like an underlay on him at this point in time in my opinion.

No offense intended, but I don't think you are able to separate your being a fan and how you rate horses. If this horse had a different sire you wouldn't be nearly as interested in him as you are.

The only truth to that is that I became aware of the horse because of his sire.

Had I happened to have seen his debut otherwise, I'd have been impressed with the late flying move he made when he finally got his act together.

Again, he seems like a horse to me that will improve a lot as both the distances get longer and he gets more seasoning.

Combine that with what looks to be yet another lackluster group of classic horses, and, well, I think the horse is in the upper echelon of soon to be 3yos that have a real shot of winning the Derby.

I have never been a fan of Dynaformer, in the least, but I was utterly convinced Barbaro was going to win the Derby, even before his so called lackluster dirt debut in the Holy Bull. More so afterwards, come to think of it.

The only offspring of IC I ever liked for the Derby was Uncle Mo, but I also thought it was unlikely he'd run in it.

I thought Indian Blessing was overrated, and this was after watching her win twice. This from a person who said she was going to win the BCJF race before she made her first start.

So yeah, I'm a bit of a lunatic when it comes to IC, but I remain objective and honest when I evaluate any of his runners.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

So yeah, I'm a bit of a lunatic when it comes to IC, but I remain objective and honest when I evaluate any of his runners.

Betsy says the same thing.

[Dahoss]

Is taking a picture of winning tickets the new cool thing to do?

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Is taking a picture of winning tickets the new cool thing to do?

I would guess it's cooler than all the pics I have of recent losing tix?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by golfer

I would guess it's cooler than all the pics I have of recent losing tix?

We could flood this place with all of our recent losers.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Is taking a picture of winning tickets the new cool thing to do?

You have to cash the tickets to get the money so if you dont take a picture what would you frame?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

The only truth to that is that I became aware of the horse because of his sire.

Had I happened to have seen his debut otherwise, I'd have been impressed with the late flying move he made when he finally got his act together.

Again, he seems like a horse to me that will improve a lot as both the distances get longer and he gets more seasoning.

Combine that with what looks to be yet another lackluster group of classic horses, and, well, I think the horse is in the upper echelon of soon to be 3yos that have a real shot of winning the Derby.

I have never been a fan of Dynaformer, in the least, but I was utterly convinced Barbaro was going to win the Derby, even before his so called lackluster dirt debut in the Holy Bull. More so afterwards, come to think of it.

The only offspring of IC I ever liked for the Derby was Uncle Mo, but I also thought it was unlikely he'd run in it.

I thought Indian Blessing was overrated, and this was after watching her win twice. This from a person who said she was going to win the BCJF race before she made her first start.

So yeah, I'm a bit of a lunatic when it comes to IC, but I remain objective and honest when I evaluate any of his runners.

Indian Blessing was a dam fast filly. How was she overrated?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Indian Blessing was a dam fast filly. How was she overrated?

She wasn't, even if her 4YO campaign was basically wrecked by a trip to Dubai. She was very good.

IC also said that he thought Uncle Mo's King's Bishop was overrated while his Timely Writer was extraordinary.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

She wasn't, even if her 4YO campaign was basically wrecked by a trip to Dubai. She was very good.

IC also said that he thought Uncle Mo's King's Bishop was overrated while his Timely Writer was extraordinary.

Loved her thought she was fast, well traveled etc. Who was she bred too?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Loved her thought she was fast, well traveled etc. Who was she bred too?

I think Zensational, but really not sure.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

She wasn't, even if her 4YO campaign was basically wrecked by a trip to Dubai. She was very good.

IC also said that he thought Uncle Mo's King's Bishop was overrated while his Timely Writer was extraordinary.

Context is a useful thing.

Try using it sometime.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I thought his King's Bishop was somewhat overhyped, or better put, overrated.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

No kidding.

I thought his Timely Writer performance was huge.

Really?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Indian Blessing was a dam fast filly. How was she overrated?

I just think a lot of people thought she was better than she really was.