Empire Way

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Vic Stauffer is the only one who tried to bury the validity of the Beyer number. And Vic Stauffer is an honorable man.



Whether it is solicited or not is another matter.

What the heck are you talking about? I said TRUST THE NUMBERS. How on earth is that trying to bury the validity of the Beyer number?

Here's a copy of what I posted....................................65 Beyer

Wow. That's a shock. Visually it looked alot better than that. BTW kids don't be fooled by how the rider either drives or doesn't. I've learned over the years to TRUST THE NUMBER. I've seen a thousand races where the jock was motionless but the horse especially a young one was doing his best. The horses don't have the reasoning in their minds to gear it down. They just run. Rosario asked him to roll pretty good going to the quarter pole. From there in regardless of what he did I expect Empire Way was pretty much doing close to his best. The numbers tend to be the closest things to fact. Adjusting off those with something tough to quantify usually is not nearly as reliable. TRUST THE NUMBERS. Will be very interesting to see what Thoro-graph and Ragozin give him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What the heck are you talking about? I said TRUST THE NUMBERS. How on earth is that trying to bury the validity of the Beyer number?

Here's a copy of what I posted....................................65 Beyer

Wow. That's a shock. Visually it looked alot better than that. BTW kids don't be fooled by how the rider either drives or doesn't. I've learned over the years to TRUST THE NUMBER. I've seen a thousand races where the jock was motionless but the horse especially a young one was doing his best. The horses don't have the reasoning in their minds to gear it down. They just run. Rosario asked him to roll pretty good going to the quarter pole. From there in regardless of what he did I expect Empire Way was pretty much doing close to his best. The numbers tend to be the closest things to fact. Adjusting off those with something tough to quantify usually is not nearly as reliable. TRUST THE NUMBERS. Will be very interesting to see what Thoro-graph and Ragozin give him.

Who are these kids you speak of?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Who are these kids you speak of?

That's just a figure of speech. It wasn't meant to imply anything. Sometimes a person will come into a room and just say "hey kids what's up". I meant no disrespect to anyone.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

That's just a figure of speech. It wasn't meant to imply anything. Sometimes a person will come into a room and just say "hey kids what's up". I meant no disrespect to anyone.

You do realize I'm joking....right?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You do realize I'm joking....right?

No I didn't. Past posts would indicate otherwise. No worries though. All good. Have a great night.

Rooting for Vikings for fellow announcer Paul Allen. Looks pretty bad.

[Riot]

Yup. Pretty funny thread.

[Calzone Lord]

If Empire Way was not a full to Royal Delta absolutely no one would be talking about this horse.

Speaking of which -- if anyone wants to see what a great debut looks like... here's Royal Delta winning her debut by about 15 lengths in hand throughout for Bill Mott (who absolutely sucks as a debut trainer, by the way)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRj2_cQSPsg

[Rudeboyelvis]

I got that you were ok with the BSF, just all the rest of your post was

As Rolli pointed out, it was a horrendous race, with four 2yo's that either can't sprint or don't take to cushion and Empire Way, who appears as though he might like a bit more distance, though not nearly as conclusively, as he was similarly plagued by distance / surface - just not a badly.

The real question is...considering they walked the first quarter and crawled the rest of the way...What sort of conclusions could anyone really take away from from that race?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What the heck are you talking about? I said TRUST THE NUMBERS.

Yep. And you are an honorable man.

How on earth is that trying to bury the validity of the Beyer number?

Here's a copy of what I posted....................................65 Beyer

Wow. That's a shock. Visually it looked alot better than that. BTW kids don't be fooled by how the rider either drives or doesn't. I've learned over the years to TRUST THE NUMBER. I've seen a thousand races where the jock was motionless but the horse especially a young one was doing his best. The horses don't have the reasoning in their minds to gear it down. They just run. Rosario asked him to roll pretty good going to the quarter pole. From there in regardless of what he did I expect Empire Way was pretty much doing close to his best. The numbers tend to be the closest things to fact. Adjusting off those with something tough to quantify usually is not nearly as reliable. TRUST THE NUMBERS. Will be very interesting to see what Thoro-graph and Ragozin give him.

Nicely done. At first, it was Greek to me. But then I looked closer and saw that mischief was afoot. This speech is littered with sarcasm and rhetoric. You don't fool me any longer. You're just paying lip service to the speed figure dudes here. Clearly you were trying to incite a Riot.

Or a Pedigree Ann.