Empire Way

RolloTomasi · #1 11-13-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Obviously Empire Way needs to run way faster if he's going to be competitive in real races. . . if he turns out to be a one turn horse, he won't be anything special at all.

This is nearly the complete antithesis to your first post. Thanks, I'll get off the merry-go-round here.

hockey2315 · #2 11-13-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

This is nearly the complete antithesis to your first post. Thanks, I'll get off the merry-go-round here.

My point is that if you think he's really a one-turn horse, then he's in trouble. I, however, don't think he is. . . at all.

Kasept · #3 11-14-2011, 07:56 AM

65 Beyer

FATPIANO · #4 11-14-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

65 Beyer

OUCH

blackthroatedwind · #5 11-14-2011, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

65 Beyer

That should propel him to greatness.

freddymo · #6 11-14-2011, 09:28 AM

I am just hoping Pedigree Ann is willing and able to step in here and rectify all the misconceptions of these silly BSF and what they DONT mean. Once Ann straightens out the issues and speaks on the regal nature of this family all will be enlightened to REALITY not some silly figure..

Come on Ann HELP

blackthroatedwind · #7 11-14-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I am just hoping Pedigree Ann is willing and able to step in here and rectify all the misconceptions of these silly BSF and what they DONT mean. Once Ann straightens out the issues and speaks on the regal nature of this family all will be enlightened to REALITY not some silly figure..

Come on Ann HELP

She's waiting until after his next race to tell us why he ran the way he did. However, from now on she will only be posting in the " Screening Room."

freddymo · #8 11-14-2011, 10:00 AM

Well that is Mean! I hope Steve starts a "Friends of Anne" Room that is by invite only.. You won't be getting an invite that's for sure! It's only for the real custodians of racing, not the bad people who don't love the race horse.

#9 11-14-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

65 Beyer

Wow. That's a shock. Visually it looked alot better than that. BTW kids don't be fooled by how the rider either drives or doesn't. I've learned over the years to TRUST THE NUMBER. I've seen a thousand races where the jocks was motionless but the horse especially a young one was doing his best. The horses don't have the reasoning in their minds to gear it down. They just run. Rosario asked him to roll pretty good going to the quarter pole. From there in regardless of what he did I expect Empire Way was pretty much doing close to his best. The numbers tend to be the closest things to fact. Adjusting off those with something tough to quantify usually is not nearly as reliable. TRUST THE NUMBERS. Will be very interesting to see what Thoro-graph and Ragozin give him.

blackthroatedwind · #10 11-14-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Wow. That's a shock. Visually it looked alot better than that. BTW kids don't be fooled by how the rider either drives or doesn't. I've learned over the years to TRUST THE NUMBER. I've seen a thousand races where the jocks was motionless but the horse especially a young one was doing his best. The horses don't have the reasoning in their minds to gear it down. They just run. Rosario asked him to roll pretty good going to the quarter pole. From there in regardless of what he did I expect Empire Way was pretty much doing close to his best. The numbers tend to be the closest things to fact. Adjusting off those with something tough to quantify usually is not nearly as reliable. TRUST THE NUMBERS. Will be very interesting to see what Thoro-graph and Ragozin give him.

Piece of information, Vic.....most people here understand horse racing better than you.

freddymo · #11 11-14-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Piece of information, Vic.....most people here understand horse racing better than you.

I find that hard to fathom. Vic has worked as a race caller, bloodstock agent, and Jocks agent at the same time!!! How many people have been able to juggle so many balls, with the level of integrity and knowledge that Vic has? You think its easy to be an expert at all three areas of the industry and keep your feet firmly planted in Loyalty and Honesty?

Just call me one of Vic's Kids

#12 11-14-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I find that hard to fathom. Vic has worked as a race caller, bloodstock agent, and Jocks agent at the same time!!! How many people have been able to juggle so many balls, with the level of integrity and knowledge that Vic has? You think its easy to be an expert at all three areas of the industry and keep your feet firmly planted in Loyalty and Honesty?

Just call me one of Vic's Kids

Freddy! Please no more kids

. Guess you can't make everybody happy. Don't forget this year I added another juggle to the resume. Steward. Wow. What a ride that was.

Thanks for the kind words.

Rudeboyelvis · #13 11-14-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Wow. That's a shock.

What was so shocking about the number, Vic? They crawled and came home slow

Split times - R4) 23 / 46.3 / 1.11.3 / 1.17.4 (1.17.93)

32k claimers immediately preceding - R3) 23 / 46.1 / 1.09.3 / 1.15.3 (1.15.79)

The only thing particularly impressive, visually or otherwise, about that performance is where they found the plugs to line up with him.... I don't take anything away from him - a win is a win and he got the job done without urging, in nothing more than a typical workout fashion - that number is generous if anything at all.

Indian Charlie · #14 11-14-2011, 02:38 PM

Perhaps Empire Way is a dirt horse too.

I don't see any relevance to what number he got for this spot.

#15 11-14-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

What was so shocking about the number, Vic? They crawled and came home slow

Split times - R4) 23 / 46.3 / 1.11.3 / 1.17.4 (1.17.93)

32k claimers immediately preceding - R3) 23 / 46.1 / 1.09.3 / 1.15.3 (1.15.79)

The only thing particularly impressive, visually or otherwise, about that performance is where they found the plugs to line up with him.... I don't take anything away from him - a win is a win and he got the job done without urging, in nothing more than a typical workout fashion - that number is generous if anything at all.

Maybe shocking is not the right word. However he seemed to look like he was running better than a 65. Again, that's why I trust the figures much more than my eye. Even after 30 years.

#16 11-14-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Piece of information, Vic.....most people here understand horse racing better than you.

OK. Who knows more about horse racing wasn't exactly the purpose of my post. Just contributing to the thread about Empire Way.

blackthroatedwind · #17 11-14-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer

OK. Who knows more about horse racing wasn't exactly the purpose of my post. Just contributing to the thread about Empire Way.

No, you were being your usual condescending self, acting the bigshot deigning to talk to the little folk.

You're like Mr. Short Term Memory Man in that you occasionally forget that this is the board that DOESN'T fall for your act.