Penn State

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by jms62

Here are the facts.

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...resentment.pdf

I have read the report before, while it details the perversion, it is light on Paterno's actions...I agree he has questions to answer but I stop short of demanding his head as he did report the incident to both the AD and the man charged with running campus police (whom I suspect would have immediate jurisdiction)...there was obviously a coverup, who all it involved is as of yet undetermined. A sad state of affairs to be sure!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I have read the report before, while it details the perversion, it is light on Paterno's actions...I agree he has questions to answer but I stop short of demanding his head as he did report the incident to both the AD and the man charged with running campus police (whom I suspect would have immediate jurisdiction)...there was obviously a coverup, who all it involved is as of yet undetermined. A sad state of affairs to be sure!

i havent heard many people calling for Joe's head criminally... just that he needs to resign or be kicked out of coaching PSU.

Do you really think reporting this incident and then wiping your hands of it is enough? Morally?

Listen, even if he did everything correct (which I dont think he did, morally) he needs to step down just because he's associated with all this and how horrible of a crime this was that occured in HIS program. He shouldnt even be coaching this upcoming saturday.

[clyde]

Oh just shoot him.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i havent heard many people calling for Joe's head criminally... just that he needs to resign or be kicked out of coaching PSU.

Do you really think reporting this incident and then wiping your hands of it is enough? Morally?

Listen, even if he did everything correct (which I dont think he did, morally) he needs to step down just because he's associated with all this and how horrible of a crime this was that occured in HIS program. He shouldnt even be coaching this upcoming saturday.

He is a criminal if what they are talking about on ESPN radio today is even 50% true. A former employee saw this scumbag with a 10yr old boy naked in the shower, doing whatever to him. Reported it to Joe Pa and after weeks went by and Joe Pa did nothing the guy who witnessed it quits.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He is a criminal if what they are talking about on ESPN radio today is even 50% true. A former employee saw this scumbag with a 10yr old boy naked in the shower, doing whatever to him. Reported it to Joe Pa and after weeks went by and Joe Pa did nothing the guy who witnessed it quits.

This is news to me and contrary to the grand jury report. If this the case then of course Joe would be guilty of coverup which the state Attorney General and others have said he is not????

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

This is news to me and contrary to the grand jury report. If this the case then of course Joe would be guilty of coverup which the state Attorney General and others have said he is not????

ESPN radio today. A lot of people are saying Joe Pa turned his head to some very serious things. I dont really understand how he has not been fired yet.

[clyde]

I hope Rich Rodriguez is the new coach.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

ESPN radio today. A lot of people are saying Joe Pa turned his head to some very serious things. I dont really understand how he has not been fired yet.

So you are posting gossip, not facts. A lot of people are saying a lot of things. The grand jury report (link posted earlier in a thread here) has the facts as known so far and there is no indication that Paterno knew more than what was reported to him by the grad asst. This is a sorted mess and the truth needs to come out, then blame can be assessed.

Matt Millen is coach in waiting. Get ready for some integrity.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

So you are posting gossip, not facts. A lot of people are saying a lot of things. The grand jury report (link posted earlier in a thread here) has the facts as known so far and there is no indication that Paterno knew more than what was reported to him by the grad asst. This is a sorted mess and the truth needs to come out, then blame can be assessed.

Dude... If Somebody reports an anal rape of a child to me and I go to my superiors and nothing is done in a week I go to the police.Actually I go to the police regardless of what my superiors tell me to do. It really is that simple. I don't know why you must always be the cotrarian in this **** always hiding behind "we don't know all the facts". The dude said he saw a 50+ year old man raping a kid in the shower... Are you saying he is lying?

[dalakhani]

Joe needs to go. How could he not have known? Come on. How many young boys were violated because joe looked the other way?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

So you are posting gossip, not facts. A lot of people are saying a lot of things. The grand jury report (link posted earlier in a thread here) has the facts as known so far and there is no indication that Paterno knew more than what was reported to him by the grad asst. This is a sorted mess and the truth needs to come out, then blame can be assessed.

the grand jury report alone is enough. every name that is mentioned in that report needs to go.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i havent heard many people calling for Joe's head criminally... just that he needs to resign or be kicked out of coaching PSU.

Do you really think reporting this incident and then wiping your hands of it is enough? Morally?

Listen, even if he did everything correct (which I dont think he did, morally) he needs to step down just because he's associated with all this and how horrible of a crime this was that occured in HIS program. He shouldnt even be coaching this upcoming saturday.

Yes...the AD and the other guy who lied to the grand jury are gone. Graham Spanier (president), Paterno and MIke McQueary are the 3 remaining at minimum who need to go. McQueary is the assistant (former qb) who saw Sandusky raping the child in the shower. He actually saw it (read the grand jury report). No one is calling him out but it starts with him. He is the witness who saw a man raping a child and did not call police. A 28 year old man who saw a major crime being committed and he simply ran to Paterno the next day and told him after talking to his Dad. Paterno told Curley, the AD, and evidently he is the token fall guy here. Spanier, the university president decided simply keeping Sandusky from raping on campus was sufficient response. Sandusky was revered there and most felt him more responsible for the great teams than Joe, and I don't think pedophiles generally advertise the fact that they are what they are. His 2nd mile program was lauded nationally. I honestly don't think people really knew until the late 90s. But they did by then. Paterno did too even before the shower incident McQueary saw. They all need to go though...right now.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Yes...the AD and the other guy who lied to the grand jury are gone. Graham Spanier (president), Paterno and MIke McQueary are the 3 remaining at minimum who need to go. McQueary is the assistant (former qb) who saw Sandusky raping the child in the shower. He actually saw it (read the grand jury report). No one is calling him out but it starts with him. He is the witness who saw a man raping a child and did not call police. A 28 year old man who saw a major crime being committed and he simply ran to Paterno the next day and told him after talking to his Dad. Paterno told Curley, the AD, and evidently he is the token fall guy here. Spanier, the university president decided simply keeping Sandusky from raping on campus was sufficient response. Sandusky was revered there and most felt him more responsible for the great teams than Joe, and I don't think pedophiles generally advertise the fact that they are what they are. His 2nd mile program was lauded nationally. I honestly don't think people really knew until the late 90s. But they did by then. Paterno did too even before the shower incident McQueary saw. They all need to go though...right now.

Curley is not the "token fall guy", he's the POS that covered it up and is now lying about it. It's difficult assessing who deserves what blame and much easier to just say they all f.ucked up and all need to be out immediately and answer to the authorities.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Curley is not the "token fall guy", he's the POS that covered it up and is now lying about it. It's difficult assessing who deserves what blame and much easier to just say they all f.ucked up and all need to be out immediately and answer to the authorities.

I'm just saying that's who the school is using to exonerate Joe. "Joe told Curley, that by law is all he was required to do." That's the ridiculous reasoning being thrown around. All I know is McQueary saw a man raping a child based on the Grand Jury report. whether he told Paterno exactly what was in the report is still unknown. Regardless, McQueary was the eyewitness and should have immediately notified police. The proper "chain" was followed and every single person in that chain should be gone starting with McQueary then all the way up.

It's pure evil. Borderline satanic. Students rallying for the coach. Arguably the most disgusting display of insanity this year.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Arguably the most disgusting display of insanity this year.

Not to make light of this situation, but Vic was hired as a steward this year. I think that fits disgusting display of insanity pretty well.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's pure evil. Borderline satanic. Students rallying for the coach. Arguably the most disgusting display of insanity this year.

Amen. The sight of him smiling and showing any kind of happiness in this situation is sickening.