Occupy Wall Street

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

You are really generous and everything you say is just great. You can pay them a million bucks however if their options are work for you as their sponsor or go home then it is not a free market and I will argue that point until put me in the ground.

all they have to do is have a sponsor. it's not as tho if they don't have one, they can never get another. i'd imagine they have to have a sponsor as a way to keep track of a temporary visitor/employee. i'd think that would be an INS rule, not an employer rule. it's the govt's job to keep track of workers from other countries. and surely different offers are there for people to apply, choose from, etc?

btw, i find the now missing posts that were quoted by others that you wrote to be out of line. there's a difference between talking about a subject, and attacking someone personally. chuck didn't create the H1B program. if you don't like the program, take it up with the people who created it or operate it, that can amend it. i've visited chuck, more than once, at various barns in several states. his operation seems top notch from what i've seen fwiw.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all they have to do is have a sponsor. it's not as tho if they don't have one, they can never get another. i'd imagine they have to have a sponsor as a way to keep track of a temporary visitor/employee. i'd think that would be an INS rule, not an employer rule. it's the govt's job to keep track of workers from other countries. and surely different offers are there for people to apply, choose from, etc?

btw, i find the now missing posts that were quoted by others that you wrote to be out of line. there's a difference between talking about a subject, and attacking someone personally. chuck didn't create the H1B program. if you don't like the program, take it up with the people who created it or operate it, that can amend it. i've visited chuck, more than once, at various barns in several states. his operation seems top notch from what i've seen fwiw.

Listen the first part of your post shows that you have no idea whatsoever about the process. You are posting to a process as you would like it to be. When you come over on an H1B visa you are tied to the company that sponsors you for 6 years. You cannot go elsewhere, you cannot go home and start the process again . For 6 years its work for the company that sponsers you or go home.

As to part 2, there are no missing posts and if Chuck calls me a know nothing twit I will very well respond in like so if you don't like it GFYS and put me on Ignore. Chuck took a personal shot at me, I took one back in my mind its over. If he were here I'd buy him a beer. The only person I really disliked on these boards is Nascar and he is gone.

Again I never said anything about Chucks operation I was providing links to the industry in general and if you tell me that there isn't H1B abuse in the industry aside from Chucks barn then I will tell you are full of shi*T.

I think for your own peace of mind you need to put me on ignore. You either read something entirely different in my posts, reply to something that you know nothing about yet portray it as if it exists as you think it does, try and put words in my mouth with the "did you mean ****" , and then cite to "missing" posts to come to a conclusion based upon others responses to posts that do exist Are you having a bad day or what?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Listen the first part of your post shows that you have no idea whatsoever about the process. You are posting to a process as you would like it to be. When you come over on an H1B visa you are tied to the company that sponsors you for 6 years. You cannot go elsewhere, you cannot go home and start the process again . For 6 years its work for the company that sponsers you or go home.

As to part 2, there are no missing posts and if Chuck calls me a know nothing twit I will very well respond in like so if you don't like it GFYS and put me on Ignore. Chuck took a personal shot at me, I took one back in my mind its over. If he were here I'd buy him a beer. The only person I really disliked on these boards is Nascar and he is gone.

Again I never said anything about Chucks operation I was providing links to the industry in general and if you tell me that there isn't H1B abuse in the industry aside from Chucks barn then I will tell you are full of shi*T.

I think for your own peace of mind you need to put me on ignore. You either read something entirely different in my posts, reply to something that you know nothing about yet portray it as if it exists as you think it does, try and put words in my mouth with the "did you mean ****" , and then cite to "missing" posts to come to a conclusion based upon others responses to posts that do exist Are you having a bad day or what?

Actually you took the first shot with your thinly veiled insinuations and stereotyping. The only reason I bother to post in the political threads is to counter Riot's nonsense.

I think that the terms are 3 years with a possibility to extend to 6. And you can transfer employers on an H1b visa.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually you took the first shot with your thinly veiled insinuations and stereotyping. The only reason I bother to post in the political threads is to counter Riot's nonsense.

I think that the terms are 3 years with a possibility to extend to 6. And you can transfer employers on an H1b visa.

My shot was you are pro H1B because you use H1B if you call that a shot.

As far as the transfer although technically feasible the standard practice is for sponser company to put in the contract that employee will not seek transfer for the duration of the contract. Would they win in court, certainly do they have the money or will power to fight that fight, No. I have guys crying all the time about how the company gets 100 bucks an hour and they receive 15 where the standard practice would be 80.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

My shot was you are pro H1B because you use H1B if you call that a shot.

As far as the transfer although technically feasible the standard practice is for sponser company to put in the contract that employee will not seek transfer for the duration of the contract. Would they win in court, certainly do they have the money or will power to fight that fight, No. I have guys crying all the time about how the company gets 100 bucks an hour and they receive 15 where the standard practice would be 80.

No one in the horse racing business holds people to their contract. Most racing businesses are too small to bother to contest someone leaving. The thing is that so many workers are so eager to get here that they can accept terms that dont seem great once they get here and smarten up. But considering where they come from and how willing they are to take the initial deal presented it is all relative. I think we are required to provide a whole lot more than we used to as well including potential legal fees for the employee which makes me not want to do H1b's anymore.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one in the horse racing business holds people to their contract. Most racing businesses are too small to bother to contest someone leaving. The thing is that so many workers are so eager to get here that they can accept terms that dont seem great once they get here and smarten up. But considering where they come from and how willing they are to take the initial deal presented it is all relative. I think we are required to provide a whole lot more than we used to as well including potential legal fees for the employee which makes me not want to do H1b's anymore.

The more we discuss this the more this is an apples and oranges situation. What I am talking about is companies with millions / billions at their disposal with a legal department that needs to show why they are getting paid 6 figs. Fighting that fight seems overwhelming as having to retain a lawyer alone can break them long long before court.

[Cannon Shell]

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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Listen the first part of your post shows that you have no idea whatsoever about the process. You are posting to a process as you would like it to be. When you come over on an H1B visa you are tied to the company that sponsors you for 6 years. You cannot go elsewhere, you cannot go home and start the process again . For 6 years its work for the company that sponsers you or go home.

As to part 2, there are no missing posts and if Chuck calls me a know nothing twit I will very well respond in like so if you don't like it GFYS and put me on Ignore. Chuck took a personal shot at me, I took one back in my mind its over. If he were here I'd buy him a beer. The only person I really disliked on these boards is Nascar and he is gone.

Again I never said anything about Chucks operation I was providing links to the industry in general and if you tell me that there isn't H1B abuse in the industry aside from Chucks barn then I will tell you are full of shi*T.

I think for your own peace of mind you need to put me on ignore. You either read something entirely different in my posts, reply to something that you know nothing about yet portray it as if it exists as you think it does, try and put words in my mouth with the "did you mean ****" , and then cite to "missing" posts to come to a conclusion based upon others responses to posts that do exist Are you having a bad day or what?

i was talking about posts where you are quoted, but your posts aren't in the thread. i guess someone took them down? there are several posts above where you are quoted, but your original is nowhere to be seen.
at any rate, i'm a big girl. i get that people don't always agree with others. what i don't get is that some people get pretty dammed crappy about things when they are an opposite side of someone else. and no, i'm not having a bad day-are you?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i was talking about posts where you are quoted, but your posts aren't in the thread. i guess someone took them down? there are several posts above where you are quoted, but your original is nowhere to be seen.
at any rate, i'm a big girl. i get that people don't always agree with others. what i don't get is that some people get pretty dammed crappy about things when they are an opposite side of someone else. and no, i'm not having a bad day-are you?

Again you jump to conclusions based upon how you want the oucome.
You do realize there was a glitch on the site and about a week of posts were lost.

[Danzig]

yeah, i know posts were lost. just seemed that people were quoting stuff that i hadn't seen the original posts...
whatever.