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Old 10-05-2011, 11:40 AM
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Why not the immortal Giant Oak?
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:43 AM
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Why not the immortal Giant Oak?
Ya I'll use him too probably. . . check your PMs
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:50 AM
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Old 10-05-2011, 12:12 PM
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I think you have to respect Mo's talent and keep him on multi race tickets especially with this field not being the strongest of classics. However, playing the race alone I have to be against him... call it being a wise guy if you want.

No way am I gonna take 2-1 on a horse who's worst race came at 9f (sick or not) and who's going to be close to what looks to shape up as a quick pace up front. Game on Dude, THAS, and Shackleford (if going) will all be looking for the front. Tizway, Stay Thirsty and Twirling Candy wont be far back. Barring defections from the race it could very easily be hot up front. Go ahead and beat me.

I think you have to use Flat Out and Havre De Grace as win candidates. Underneath, why not Ruler on Ice? I thought he ran well in the PA derby and distance is obviously not an issue with a little bit of a meltdown clunking along for 3rd or 4th isn't impossible. Same goes for Awesome Gem. Will be interesting to see how So You Think and Await the Dawn train at Churchill.

Just the way I'm going to approach it... now Mo will win by 5.
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:03 PM
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So 30 days out here's my guess for closing odds in the Classic for this 14 horse field:

Uncle Mo 3 - 1
Havre de Grace 4 - 1
Tizway 5 - 1
Game on Dude 9 - 1
To Honor and Serve 11 -1
Stay Thirsty 11 - 1
Flat Out 12 - 1
Giant Oak 13 - 1
Twirling Candy 15 - 1
So You Think 15 - 1
Ruler on Ice 25 - 1
Ice Box 30 - 1
Awesome Gem 30 - 1
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:04 PM
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Interestingly my 14 horse field only had 13 names. Add Prayer for Relief at 19 -1.
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:52 PM
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So 30 days out here's my guess for closing odds in the Classic for this 14 horse field:

Uncle Mo 3 - 1
Havre de Grace 4 - 1
Tizway 5 - 1
Game on Dude 9 - 1
To Honor and Serve 11 -1
Stay Thirsty 11 - 1
Flat Out 12 - 1
Giant Oak 13 - 1
Twirling Candy 15 - 1
So You Think 15 - 1
Ruler on Ice 25 - 1
Ice Box 30 - 1
Awesome Gem 30 - 1
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Interestingly my 14 horse field only had 13 names. Add Prayer for Relief at 19 -1.
Really 12 since you listed Ice Box.
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:40 PM
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So 30 days out here's my guess for closing odds in the Classic for this 14 horse field:

Uncle Mo 3 - 1
Havre de Grace 4 - 1
Tizway 5 - 1
Game on Dude 9 - 1
To Honor and Serve 11 -1
Stay Thirsty 11 - 1
Flat Out 12 - 1
Giant Oak 13 - 1
Twirling Candy 15 - 1
So You Think 15 - 1
Ruler on Ice 25 - 1
Ice Box 30 - 1
Awesome Gem 30 - 1
Flat Out at 12-1... Try 5-1.
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:43 PM
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So 30 days out here's my guess for closing odds in the Classic for this 14 horse field:

Uncle Mo 3 - 1
Havre de Grace 4 - 1
Tizway 5 - 1
Game on Dude 9 - 1
To Honor and Serve 11 -1
Stay Thirsty 11 - 1
Flat Out 12 - 1
Giant Oak 13 - 1
Twirling Candy 15 - 1
So You Think 15 - 1
Ruler on Ice 25 - 1
Ice Box 30 - 1
Awesome Gem 30 - 1
12-1 on Flat Out? He'd be the overlay of the year and I'd do cartwheels (poorly) in my living room before the race if he is that high.

I think he's going to be 3rd choice at worst assuming all of the names you mention go and I think he'll be shorter odds than Tizway.
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:55 PM
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I will have to revisit So You Think's pedigree -- only because he was mentioned above that I am referring to him -- but I did not recall seeing dirt influences up close in his pedigree. I saw turf-top, turf-bottom.

I don't think that it matters anyway.

He would add foreign intrigue, but I could not see him impacting this race.
Agree. . . he has no shot in this spot.
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:51 PM
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Having no shot has not stopped Coolmore in the past. Quite frankly they have nothing to lose.

For every Dylan Thomas, Oratorio or tragically George Washington it just takes a Giant's Causeway or Johannesburg to reap the significant stallion fees that make it worth it.

From a handicapping risk/reward point of view given the new surface question it is rarely represents any value.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:07 PM
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I will have to revisit So You Think's pedigree -- only because he was mentioned above that I am referring to him -- but I did not recall seeing dirt influences up close in his pedigree. I saw turf-top, turf-bottom.
His broodmare sire, Tights, was a stakes winner on dirt in CA, and was closely related to the brilliiant, but over-hyped miler Furiously as well as the good CA sire Bolger (sire of Sea Cadet).

I thought he was supposed to run in the Cox Plate in Australia. The Champion-Classic double wheeling back from the Arc seems like a tall order, especially after making hard work of it for the majority of his campaign this year.
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:05 AM
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Why not the immortal Giant Oak?
Giant Oak - Awesome Gem Exacta -- I love it!
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:33 AM
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Giant Oak - Awesome Gem Exacta -- I love it!
stranger things have happened. Just think the exacta payout.
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Old 10-06-2011, 10:44 AM
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stranger things have happened. Just think the exacta payout.
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Old 10-06-2011, 01:02 PM
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If memory serves, Alinghi was 10-for-16 in Australia -- most of those races were Group-level -- and Frankel said that she was a bleeder. (This probably explains why she was sent here.) She struggled here.

I am less familiar with Strawberry Road, but I believe it ran second to Pebbles in the '85 Turf.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/strawberry+road

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Old 10-06-2011, 01:13 PM
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If memory serves, Alinghi was 10-for-16 in Australia -- most of those races were Group-level -- and Frankel said that she was a bleeder. (This probably explains why she was sent here.) She struggled here.

I am less familiar with Strawberry Road, but I believe it ran second to Pebbles in the '85 Turf.
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