10/1 (BEL): JCGC, Beldame, JHTC, Vosburgh, FlwrBwl (G1's), Kelso (G2)

#1 10-02-2011, 12:39 PM

Looking at the stakes results it's no wonder why people play slots instead. Of course you're dealing with a sport full of yokels who've lost their competitive spirit and plan their campaigns like an overprotective mother. No wonder why these top horses are so garbage.

Ducking Uncle Mo? There really isn't much hope for the future if that's happening.

gamblin4ever · #2 10-02-2011, 01:19 PM

After the race they started talking about Uncle Mo in the classic. The connections should look at the Dirt Mile instead. I don't think he would be as effective at 1 1/4, especially when looking at the possible starters of the 2 races. He would be overbet, but not even be top 3 at the finish in the Classic compared to winning the Dirt Mile. IMO

Indian Charlie · #3 10-02-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

After the race they started talking about Uncle Mo in the classic. The connections should look at the Dirt Mile instead. I don't think he would be as effective at 1 1/4, especially when looking at the possible starters of the 2 races. He would be overbet, but not even be top 3 at the finish in the Classic compared to winning the Dirt Mile. IMO

I disagree. I think he is far more effective if he is relaxed in the early stages of the race, something far less likely to happen in the mile than in the classic.

And this horse will have no issues with distance. I don't really get how people can watch him race and think otherwise.

gamblin4ever · #4 10-03-2011, 09:24 AM

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I disagree. I think he is far more effective if he is relaxed in the early stages of the race, something far less likely to happen in the mile than in the classic.

And this horse will have no issues with distance. I don't really get how people can watch him race and think otherwise.

I agree with him relaxing,and him getting the distance. I just don't think he is as effective at 1 1/4. He likes to run up front/close to the pace, from what I've seen in his races, and think of the probables who like to run the same way. That's what I was meaning with my post. He won't have his normal kick when the closers come a running compared to the Dirt Mile.

MaTH716 · #5 10-03-2011, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

I agree with him relaxing,and him getting the distance. I just don't think he is as effective at 1 1/4. He likes to run up front/close to the pace, from what I've seen in his races, and think of the probables who like to run the same way. That's what I was meaning with my post. He won't have his normal kick when the closers come a running compared to the Dirt Mile.

Yeah, but he seems like he can rate very well. I would think that the tactics would be different for him depending on which race he went into. If he does go in the mile, I would expect him to rate off what could be a hot pace (like the King's Bishop). If he went into the classic, I would expect him to be much closer to the front, with the chance of getting away by the time they entered the stretch.

I'm not sure what you mean by normal kick, isn't all relative on how the rest of the race plays out? I know he was coming off a layoff, but he got nailed at the wire going 7 furlongs. Was that his normal kick?

I just feel like that he has a better chance of giving that dominate/special performance that everyone is waiting for in the classic, where he might be able to take control of the race. As opposed to the mile where it might look like the King's Bishop again. Where he rates for the speed to fold and tries to get the jump on the closers.

Indian Charlie · #6 10-03-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

I agree with him relaxing,and him getting the distance. I just don't think he is as effective at 1 1/4. He likes to run up front/close to the pace, from what I've seen in his races, and think of the probables who like to run the same way. That's what I was meaning with my post. He won't have his normal kick when the closers come a running compared to the Dirt Mile.

I am thinking of the probables, and that is why I like him so much more in the BCC. He'll get a much softer trip than he would in the mile.

It's total nonsense to think he can't get 10f.

NTamm1215 · #7 10-03-2011, 01:51 PM

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I am thinking of the probables, and that is why I like him so much more in the BCC. He'll get a much softer trip than he would in the mile.

It's total nonsense to think he can't get 10f.

Really? You may disagree but to say that is a bit silly I think.

I'm not sure Saturday's win told us anything about Uncle Mo other than that he can be as good (if not better) as a 3YO as he was at 2 and that a mile is his perfect distance. You're taking quite a leap to believe he can go 10fs given the likelihood of a strong pace in a race with other frontrunners.

Indian Charlie · #8 10-03-2011, 01:55 PM

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Really? You may disagree but to say that is a bit silly I think.

I'm not sure Saturday's win told us anything about Uncle Mo other than that he can be as good (if not better) as a 3YO as he was at 2 and that a mile is his perfect distance. You're taking quite a leap to believe he can go 10fs given the likelihood of a strong pace in a race with other frontrunners.

It's ridiculous to say he can't when:

1. He's never been asked to do it and...

2. He runs like he should have no problems with it.

As for the pedigree, that's ludicrous. For the first seven years or so at stud, IC got nothing but dogfood quality mares. Now that he's been getting better mares sent to him, his progeny seem to be less speed oriented.

Mo is out of an Arch mare as well, which should provide stamina.

#9 10-02-2011, 01:32 PM

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Looking at the stakes results it's no wonder why people play slots instead. Of course you're dealing with a sport full of yokels who've lost their competitive spirit and plan their campaigns like an overprotective mother. No wonder why these top horses are so garbage.

Ducking Uncle Mo? There really isn't much hope for the future if that's happening.

I agree. Yesterdays card at Belmont was a complete joke. 33 betting interests in the 5 stakes races and other than the Vosburgh, they were all just public workouts on paper. If the JCGC was an invitational, why would they invite horses like Ice Box, A.U. Miner, Birdrun to participate??

NTamm1215 · #10 10-02-2011, 01:49 PM

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I agree. Yesterdays card at Belmont was a complete joke. 33 betting interests in the 5 stakes races and other than the Vosburgh, they were all just public workouts on paper. If the JCGC was an invitational, why would they invite horses like Ice Box, A.U. Miner, Birdrun to participate??

Because if they didn't then people would complain on message boards about it being a 3 horse field.

#11 10-02-2011, 01:59 PM

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Because if they didn't then people would complain on message boards about it being a 3 horse field.

Or they could invite better horses.

Indian Charlie · #12 10-02-2011, 02:00 PM

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Or they could invite better horses.

From where? The past?

NTamm1215 · #13 10-02-2011, 02:11 PM

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Or they could invite better horses.

You kind of tipped your hand with the comments about Creative Cause but this post pretty much sealed it.

pointman · #14 10-02-2011, 02:16 PM

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You kind of tipped your hand with the comments about Creative Cause but this post pretty much sealed it.

Really? I thought the evidence has been conclusive for quite some time now.

NTamm1215 · #15 10-02-2011, 02:22 PM

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Really? I thought the evidence has been conclusive for quite some time now.

I've been off the reservation for some time but this one was pretty easy to decipher.

Indian Charlie · #16 10-02-2011, 02:24 PM

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Or they could invite better horses.

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You kind of tipped your hand with the comments about Creative Cause but this post pretty much sealed it.

I can't say I follow his posts particularly closely, but perhaps he is relatively new to the game and doesn't know about the past history of Godolphin and Coolmore?

Which could also explain his post about inviting better horses?

NTamm1215 · #17 10-02-2011, 02:24 PM

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I can't say I follow his posts particularly closely, but perhaps he is relatively new to the game and doesn't know about the past history of Godolphin and Coolmore?

Which could also explain his post about inviting better horses?

Which precludes him from derision? Not on DT!

Dahoss · #18 10-02-2011, 02:52 PM

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Which could also explain his post about inviting better horses?

Trolling?

Danzig · #19 10-02-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11

Or they could invite better horses.

i guess you think they only invited those who showed?

there is a two-fold problem with stakes right now...too many races, not enough good horses. people can afford to pick and choose, avoid other top horses, while still making good money and getting black type.