Chicago teachers unions out of touch as usual

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/us...er=rss&emc=rss

So the union is up in arms over it own members taking more money in exchange to teach kids in a longer school day.

“It’s a nightmare,” said Karen Lewis, president of the Chicago Teachers Union, who added that Mr. Emanuel lived up to his reputation for foul language in a recent meeting in his stately office at City Hall. “You expect this stuff out of Republicans.”

Oh Sorry Karen that your own teachers are interested in making 2% MORE money by TEACHING kids.

Sounds like a nightmare.


Some union leaders here had other worries about Mr. Emanuel’s true goals to begin with; even before he took office, he supported a bill in the Legislature that would make it easier to get rid of poor teachers and harder for teachers to strike. It would also give him more leeway in extending the school day.


What a nightmare, getting rid of poor teachers and teaching kids more.


On the city’s North Side, outside the Disney II Magnet Elementary School, which announced on Tuesday that it was the seventh school to choose a longer school day, parents said they were pleased with what this would mean for their children, even if they were not thrilled with the growing war between City Hall and the teachers’ union.

Somehow Riot will blame the GOP for this too...

[horseofcourse]

Yes, once we get rid of those pesky teacher unions, all the worlds problems would disappear. I'm sure of it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Yes, once we get rid of those pesky teacher unions, all the worlds problems would disappear. I'm sure of it.

The US education system would certainly benefit. I suppose you missed the irony of Rahm being the one to circumvent the union being that according to Riot it is all a plot by the Koch brothers and GOP gov's. Perhaps you agree with the teachers unions here and disagree with better educating students AND paying teachers more...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The US education system would certainly benefit. I suppose you missed the irony of Rahm being the one to circumvent the union being that according to Riot it is all a plot by the Koch brothers and GOP gov's. Perhaps you agree with the teachers unions here and disagree with better educating students AND paying teachers more...

Strange. Where employers have offered better deals than what employees can get bargaining as a group - oh, better educating students, paying teachers more - unions don't have support.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Strange. Where employers have offered better deals than what employees can get bargaining as a group - oh, better educating students, paying teachers more - unions don't have support.

Unions dont have support because they make decisions like the ones listed in the article in this thread. Only people who are completely out of touch can't see what the teachers unions in most places have become. People are finally seeing the hypocrisy of people that defend the unions like you do even when they are absolutely taking a stance that is virtually undefendable.

Rahm wants to pay the teachers to teach, wants to get the kids in class longer, wants to get rid of bad teachers. He isn't exactly a rightwing fanatic that you make everyone who is tired of the union bullshit out to be. The union is too worried about leverage and self-interest to see that they are exposing themselves.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Unions dont have support because they make decisions like the ones listed in the article in this thread. Only people who are completely out of touch can't see what the teachers unions in most places have become. People are finally seeing the hypocrisy of people that defend the unions like you do even when they are absolutely taking a stance that is virtually undefendable.

Rahm wants to pay the teachers to teach, wants to get the kids in class longer, wants to get rid of bad teachers. He isn't exactly a rightwing fanatic that you make everyone who is tired of the union bullshit out to be. The union is too worried about leverage and self-interest to see that they are exposing themselves.

Do you ever make actual points that are based upon anything more solid than, "because that's what I think?"

And no, I haven't made "everyone" who is anti-union to be right wing fanatic. I've even pointed out where I'm "anti-union". That you can't catch that sort of nuance, and you paint all those with opinions you don't like with broad-based strokes, no matter if it is true or not, isn't my fault.

Yes, there was a public plan put forth at the 2010 RGA meeting, that GOP govs are to try and overthow unions as part of the GOP agenda. You don't believe it, shows simply your lack of awareness of your own party and their current action items. It's not exactly a secret or some invented "plot".

What's even more hilarious is how some of you guys paint anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions with your own imagined suppositions and black-and-white prejudices about what they think. You do it, Dell does it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you ever make actual points that are based upon anything more solid than, "because that's what I think?"

And no, I haven't made "everyone" who is anti-union to be right wing fanatic. I've even pointed out where I'm "anti-union". That you can't catch that sort of nuance, and you paint all those with opinions you don't like with broad-based strokes, no matter if it is true or not, isn't my fault.

Yes, there was a public plan put forth at the 2010 RGA meeting, that GOP govs are to try and overthow unions as part of the GOP agenda. You don't believe it, shows simply your lack of awareness of your own party. It's not exactly a secret or some invented "plot".

It isn't my party. Was Rahm at that meeting? Is he part of the plot too? Are you supporting the Chicago teachers union in this case?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It isn't my party. Was Rahm at that meeting? Is he part of the plot too? Are you supporting the Chicago teachers union in this case?

No, I don't support the Chicago teachers union in this case.

And that has nothing at all to do with the fact that the RGA and ALEC have model legislation regarding union-busting distributed to the Republican governors, with the mandate to complete it before 2012.

As I said, before you went off on the tangent of two paragraphs attacking me for things you are sure I think, where employers offer good salary and benefits, greater than what they could get from being organized, unions don't have strength.

[JJP]

The Chicago teachers union isn't going to get any sympathy; nor should they. The fact that there's problems with violent crime and community leaders are pushing for the longer school day to keep kids off the streets doesn't seem to matter to them.