Chicago teachers unions out of touch as usual

[horseofcourse]

Yes, once we get rid of those pesky teacher unions, all the worlds problems would disappear. I'm sure of it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Yes, once we get rid of those pesky teacher unions, all the worlds problems would disappear. I'm sure of it.

The US education system would certainly benefit. I suppose you missed the irony of Rahm being the one to circumvent the union being that according to Riot it is all a plot by the Koch brothers and GOP gov's. Perhaps you agree with the teachers unions here and disagree with better educating students AND paying teachers more...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The US education system would certainly benefit. I suppose you missed the irony of Rahm being the one to circumvent the union being that according to Riot it is all a plot by the Koch brothers and GOP gov's. Perhaps you agree with the teachers unions here and disagree with better educating students AND paying teachers more...

Strange. Where employers have offered better deals than what employees can get bargaining as a group - oh, better educating students, paying teachers more - unions don't have support.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Strange. Where employers have offered better deals than what employees can get bargaining as a group - oh, better educating students, paying teachers more - unions don't have support.

Unions dont have support because they make decisions like the ones listed in the article in this thread. Only people who are completely out of touch can't see what the teachers unions in most places have become. People are finally seeing the hypocrisy of people that defend the unions like you do even when they are absolutely taking a stance that is virtually undefendable.

Rahm wants to pay the teachers to teach, wants to get the kids in class longer, wants to get rid of bad teachers. He isn't exactly a rightwing fanatic that you make everyone who is tired of the union bullshit out to be. The union is too worried about leverage and self-interest to see that they are exposing themselves.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Unions dont have support because they make decisions like the ones listed in the article in this thread. Only people who are completely out of touch can't see what the teachers unions in most places have become. People are finally seeing the hypocrisy of people that defend the unions like you do even when they are absolutely taking a stance that is virtually undefendable.

Rahm wants to pay the teachers to teach, wants to get the kids in class longer, wants to get rid of bad teachers. He isn't exactly a rightwing fanatic that you make everyone who is tired of the union bullshit out to be. The union is too worried about leverage and self-interest to see that they are exposing themselves.

Do you ever make actual points that are based upon anything more solid than, "because that's what I think?"

And no, I haven't made "everyone" who is anti-union to be right wing fanatic. I've even pointed out where I'm "anti-union". That you can't catch that sort of nuance, and you paint all those with opinions you don't like with broad-based strokes, no matter if it is true or not, isn't my fault.

Yes, there was a public plan put forth at the 2010 RGA meeting, that GOP govs are to try and overthow unions as part of the GOP agenda. You don't believe it, shows simply your lack of awareness of your own party and their current action items. It's not exactly a secret or some invented "plot".

What's even more hilarious is how some of you guys paint anyone who doesn't agree with your opinions with your own imagined suppositions and black-and-white prejudices about what they think. You do it, Dell does it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you ever make actual points that are based upon anything more solid than, "because that's what I think?"

And no, I haven't made "everyone" who is anti-union to be right wing fanatic. I've even pointed out where I'm "anti-union". That you can't catch that sort of nuance, and you paint all those with opinions you don't like with broad-based strokes, no matter if it is true or not, isn't my fault.

Yes, there was a public plan put forth at the 2010 RGA meeting, that GOP govs are to try and overthow unions as part of the GOP agenda. You don't believe it, shows simply your lack of awareness of your own party. It's not exactly a secret or some invented "plot".

It isn't my party. Was Rahm at that meeting? Is he part of the plot too? Are you supporting the Chicago teachers union in this case?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It isn't my party. Was Rahm at that meeting? Is he part of the plot too? Are you supporting the Chicago teachers union in this case?

No, I don't support the Chicago teachers union in this case.

And that has nothing at all to do with the fact that the RGA and ALEC have model legislation regarding union-busting distributed to the Republican governors, with the mandate to complete it before 2012.

As I said, before you went off on the tangent of two paragraphs attacking me for things you are sure I think, where employers offer good salary and benefits, greater than what they could get from being organized, unions don't have strength.