obamas job proposal

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What the "job creators" want, as ransom for "bringing back jobs", is to make their workforce and corporate costs in America the same as in India, China, etc. Remove all worker minimum wage and age restrictions. Forbid worker protections by removing ability to unionize. Remove all workplace worker protection regulations from OSHA, EPA. Remove all taxes on bringing money back into the US (let the rich pay nothing, let the poor pay for what we need).

These laws are currently being actively pushed by the Republican party, with the very workers these laws will harm tricked into supporting it: "Right to work", "demonize unions", "tax cuts for the job creators", "repeal minimum wage", "government is too big and expensive get rid of the EPA and OSHA", "47% of the country pays no taxes".

Yeah, as soon as we are the worker equivalent of a third world country, manufacturing jobs will return to the US so $5.00 per hour workers can paint more ceramic crap to sell at Cracker Barrel and cheap shirts to sell at Wal Mart.

Except the workers in the US won't even be able to afford it. So we'll export it to the countries who still have a middle class, with spending power, as their industry changed to 21st century types of production: energy, technology, innovation, professional growth, etc.

First world countries where taxes are paid, healthcare, workplace and retirement security are provided to all, education is supported and encouraged (kind of like what the USA was in the 1950's-1960's, our huge growth period)

Can some of you really not see this happening in this country? Does the massive, increasing wealth distribution disparity in this country mean good things? Listen to the GOP "debate" tonight, and hear the dog whistles.

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Besides GE(can't imagine why...), poor people, illegal immigrants and those with "excellent accountants" I would like to know who isn't paying taxes in this country?

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Besides GE(can't imagine why...), poor people, illegal immigrants and those with "excellent accountants" I would like to know who isn't paying taxes in this country?

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...y/#more-116417

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Originally Posted by Riot

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...y/#more-116417

Based on this we certainly seem like a first world country where taxes are paid by almost everyone who ought to be paying them.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Based on this we certainly seem like a first world country where taxes are paid by almost everyone who ought to be paying them.

Yes. Thus I find it strange that the Republican party, GOP-TV (Faux News), Heritage Foundation, etc. has been actively demonizing that 47%, those nearly all with incomes below $33,000 or so, and demanding they pay more federal income tax. While those very same people demand the wealthiest "job creators" get more tax cuts, they fight against closing tax loopholes the wealthiest use to lower their effective tax rates, and they demand decreases in capital gains taxes.

Those evil poor people! Holding back the wealthy job creators of this great country!

Makes no sense. Can't wait for the GOP debate tonight to see some of them try and justify that position.

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"First world countries where taxes are paid, healthcare, workplace and retirement security are provided to all, education is supported and encouraged"

So where is the problem? You agreed that those who are supposed to pay are paying.
Could it be that the money collected is not being spent as well as it could be?

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

"First world countries where taxes are paid, healthcare, workplace and retirement security are provided to all, education is supported and encouraged"

So where is the problem? You agreed that those who are supposed to pay are paying.
Could it be that the money collected is not being spent as well as it could be?

My tax comment was made in a completely different context. You've changed the subject. Re-read my post for what "problem" I was discussing. All the paragraphs go together.

BTW - did you read the article I referenced, or just look at the chart posted here? Read the article, too.

And no, I didn't agree that "all those who are supposed to pay are paying". Not in the least. I said, "yes", to your statement that it "... seem like a first world country where taxes are paid by almost everyone who ought to be paying them ... ". No, I do not agree with that statement. Yes, it "seems" like that, though, on the surface, doesn't it?' It is not the reality that would reflect my interpretation of who "ought" to be paying taxes.