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09-07-2011, 12:18 PM
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when i see stuff like this article:
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/08/13/...uncompetitive/ what else can one think but that the current environment isn't conducive to job growth? adding punitive costs to those here won't make the environment better. it certainly won't encourage anyone else to head over here either. if our taxes are higher than other countries, the first question i would have to ask is why? the second would be what can we do to change it? if the companies in the article above actually moved back, as they said they would, how many jobs does that add? if we don't lower, they don't move back, well obviously we are no better off. so, jms, are our taxes where they should be for corporations? 
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09-07-2011, 01:18 PM
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09-07-2011, 01:39 PM
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What the "job creators" want, as ransom for "bringing back jobs", is to make their workforce and corporate costs in America the same as in India, China, etc. Remove all worker minimum wage and age restrictions. Forbid worker protections by removing ability to unionize. Remove all workplace worker protection regulations from OSHA, EPA. Remove all taxes on bringing money back into the US (let the rich pay nothing, let the poor pay for what we need).
These laws are currently being actively pushed by the Republican party, with the very workers these laws will harm tricked into supporting it: "Right to work", "demonize unions", "tax cuts for the job creators", "repeal minimum wage", "government is too big and expensive get rid of the EPA and OSHA", "47% of the country pays no taxes". Yeah, as soon as we are the worker equivalent of a third world country, manufacturing jobs will return to the US so $5.00 per hour workers can paint more ceramic crap to sell at Cracker Barrel and cheap shirts to sell at Wal Mart. Except the workers in the US won't even be able to afford it. So we'll export it to the countries who still have a middle class, with spending power, as their industry changed to 21st century types of production: energy, technology, innovation, professional growth, etc. First world countries where taxes are paid, healthcare, workplace and retirement security are provided to all, education is supported and encouraged (kind of like what the USA was in the 1950's-1960's, our huge growth period) Can some of you really not see this happening in this country? Does the massive, increasing wealth distribution disparity in this country mean good things? Listen to the GOP "debate" tonight, and hear the dog whistles.
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09-07-2011, 01:57 PM
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Besides GE(can't imagine why...), poor people, illegal immigrants and those with "excellent accountants" I would like to know who isn't paying taxes in this country?
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09-07-2011, 02:02 PM
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09-07-2011, 03:37 PM
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09-07-2011, 03:56 PM
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Those evil poor people! Holding back the wealthy job creators of this great country! Makes no sense. Can't wait for the GOP debate tonight to see some of them try and justify that position.
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09-07-2011, 06:38 PM
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09-07-2011, 07:02 PM
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09-07-2011, 09:32 PM
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oh, wait...you didn't. and i also don't want us to be no better off and 300 more million or billion in debt in a year. that we agree on.
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09-07-2011, 10:04 PM
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You ask me if our corporate tax rates are too high and I ask you if countries with lower rates have all the loopholes that allow corps to pay no taxes and get massive refunds. If you give them the option of cutting their rate in half with Zero deductions or the current system, what so you think they will choose? They probably will ask for both becaue without it they can't create jobs. 
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09-08-2011, 06:42 AM
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at any rate, i appreciate you taking digs at me rather than answering the simple question. thanks for staying above board with your debate skills. of course, i don't recall you saying such things during the times i held the same opinion as yourself on an issue being discussed. i'm taking it that you know our corporate rates are indeed higher than other countries since you didn't just say yay or nay. i have no doubt that when businesses look in this direction, see that number, that they don't just go elsewhere, rather than see if they can beat the system. i have no doubt that businesses who say they left because of the tax rate are just making that up since it makes no sense. why leave if they could exploit all those loopholes and pay less? matter of fact, if it's so easy to buck the sytem, why aren't more companies moving here to reap all those rewards? moving on...what do we need to do to generate jobs? small businesses are hurting, so are large, and everything in between. investors aren't investing, they are holding cash in huge amounts. how do we spur investment? how do we help start ups? Last edited by Danzig : 09-08-2011 at 07:10 AM.
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