unions killing jobs...

jms62 · #1 08-26-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A minute number of corporations are sending jobs overseas.

Thanks... I let the millions who have lost thier jobs know that.. Hopefully none of them had any dreams of owning a racehorse and needing a trainer.

Clip-Clop · #2 08-26-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Thanks... I let the millions who have lost thier jobs know that.. Hopefully none of them had any dreams of owning a racehorse and needing a trainer.

Do you think those jobs are all overseas now? No shot that many (and I mean many) of those jobs are simply gone due to smaller business going under due to excessive taxes and the utter collapse of the housing industry.

Antitrust32 · #3 08-26-2011, 01:29 PM

The only way to keep these corporations in America or to bring them back is to significantly lower corporate tax rates. But that is against everything liberals stand for.

Danzig · #4 08-26-2011, 01:40 PM

http://www.examiner.com/finance-exam...oving-overseas

US corporate tax rates the primary cause for companies moving overseas

The US corporate tax rate has become a new cause for companies to move overseas to avoid what is the largest tax burden in the industrialized world. At 35%, the US tax rate on companies and businesses is nearly triple the rates in some places, and well above the tax requirements of countries such as Ireland and Switzerland.

In an expose on March 27th by CBS's 60 Minutes, hundreds of companies, and over $1.1 trillion dollars, are now being kept overseas providing nothing to the US economy due to stringent tax laws and regulations which make it difficult to invest, create new jobs, and find profitability if incorporated in America.

Cisco alone has moved eight different companies to Ireland, where the tax rate is at 12.5%. On top of this, google, Facebook, and several other technical firms employ over 100,000 workers in Ireland, which they might otherwise employ in the US if the tax code was changed or adjusted.

While many companies moved to China, India, and other places around the world for cheaper labor, one of the main reasons for the move offshore was the draconian tax rates the US government imposes on businesses headquartered domestically. In an poll taken in January on the Fair Tax, over 500 companies said they would instantly move back to the United States if this tax structure were implemented in the economy.

Riot · #5 08-26-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The only way to keep these corporations in America or to bring them back is to significantly lower corporate tax rates. But that is against everything liberals stand for.

No. Those corporations also want child labor laws repealed, unions gone, and all safety and environmental regulations removed so they can crap all over the USA like they do in other countries with their minimally-paid employees and lack of safety/compliance issues earning them record profits.

Poor, poor huge corporations! My heart bleeds for them ....

Clip-Clop · #6 08-26-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

No. Those corporations also want child labor laws repealed, unions gone, and all safety and environmental regulations removed so they can crap all over the USA like they do in other countries with their minimally-paid employees and lack of safety/compliance issues earning them record profits.

Poor, poor huge corporations! My heart bleeds for them ....

Demand is up, population is up, prices are up (the $ is worth crap). Record profits is a bunch of crap. 10% is no record, nobody is making more than that, the $ numbers are higher for all the reasons stated above. Records profits is something they are force feeding people to make businesses look bad. Aside from GE of course who live safely under the Obrella while the poop falls on those all around them. All the others pay.

Antitrust32 · #7 08-26-2011, 03:29 PM

Riot, do you smoke Meth?

Clip-Clop · #8 08-26-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Riot, do you smoke Meth?

Fair question.

Unions are people, Corporations contain no actual people.

Riot · #9 08-26-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Demand is up, population is up, prices are up (the $ is worth crap). Record profits is a bunch of crap. 10% is no record, nobody is making more than that, the $ numbers are higher for all the reasons stated above. Records profits is something they are force feeding people to make businesses look bad. Aside from GE of course who live safely under the Obrella while the poop falls on those all around them. All the others pay.

Demand for what is up?

What has been the rate of inflation for the past five years?

Clip-Clop · #10 08-26-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Demand for what is up?

What has been the rate of inflation for the past five years?

Demand for gas. Whenever anyone mentions "record profits" they are talking Exxon. Higher revenue = higher profit $ at the same or even lower % of revenue.
It is just basic math, which is a handicap of our government. That is the reason for the most complex tax code imaginable. Glad your rates are down though, you must have many loopholes available.

Cannon Shell · #11 08-26-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

No. Those corporations also want child labor laws repealed, unions gone, and all safety and environmental regulations removed so they can crap all over the USA like they do in other countries with their minimally-paid employees and lack of safety/compliance issues earning them record profits.

Poor, poor huge corporations! My heart bleeds for them ....

Yeah ok...

Clip-Clop · #12 08-26-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah ok...

It is true, check the State houses and Capitol Hill!!

Cannon Shell · #13 08-26-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

It is true, check the State houses and Capitol Hill!!

Maybe that's why the GOP is secretly against education. Maybe they can shutter enough schools, fire all the union teachers and round up the kids to work them long hours for low wages?

Think about it kids are young so they can work more hours, dont get serious ilnesses like adults do and are a long way from pensions!

Yes major corporations are all looking to repeal child labor laws.

Riot · #14 08-26-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

It is true, check the State houses and Capitol Hill!!

You are awfully proud of your ignorance. But it makes you look rather silly.

Tell me, what do you think about the Republican state rep child labor law change proposal in Missouri prohibiting employment of children under 13, and also that children less than 13 can work in mines, work with hazardous equipment, etc?

Or the GOP rep in Georgia, that wants children to be allowed to work increased hours, and until 11pm?

Or the two bills in House Committee, GOP-sponsored?

Riot · #15 08-26-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah ok...

There have been bills presented in this Congress. The only thing is that this Congress literally doesn't do crap and get them out of the House. They languish in committee. The intent is certainly there. It's already been tried to lower the age and change the allowable work hours (which has succeeded on the state level)

Geesh, do you guys pay no attention at all?

Is it really easier to pretend that because you don't see the elephant, no creature such as an elephant could possibly exist?

Riot · #16 08-26-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Do you think those jobs are all overseas now? No shot that many (and I mean many) of those jobs are simply gone due to smaller business going under due to excessive taxes and the utter collapse of the housing industry.

There is no "Excessive Taxes". What rates are you specifically referring to? I'm small businessman, and I know what my tax rates have been over the past 20 years, and they are down, with special breaks over the past 3 years.

Whining that the tax rate is 35% is ridiculous - nobody pays that. The biggest multinationals don't pay crap, and keep their profits overseas.

What "small businesses collapses" send jobs overseas? Restaurants, cleaners, plumbers, groceries don't send jobs overseas. Small businesess run on local cash infusion from local residents. Local residents get that from paychecks. The big manufacturing companies are gone multinational. Towns are closed down and empty. The GOP won't renew unemployment benefits. They should, immediately, that's cash direct into small business pockets in a local community.

We need aggressive stimulus with direct job creation.

Waiting and hoping for multinationals to get their wet dream of removal of all labor regulations so jobs in the USA would be as cheap as sweatshops in foreign countries is absurd. Not gonna happen. Those jobs are not coming back. No matter how hard the Republicans are trying to do exactly that.

Cannon Shell · #17 08-26-2011, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

There is no "Excessive Taxes". What rates are you specifically referring to?

Whining that the tax rate is 35% is ridiculous - nobody pays that. The biggest multinationals don't pay crap, and keep their profits overseas.

Which is it? It doesnt exist or no one pays it?

Cannon Shell · #18 08-26-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Thanks... I let the millions who have lost thier jobs know that.. Hopefully none of them had any dreams of owning a racehorse and needing a trainer.

Funny thing is that there are tons of people coming into the country that are able to find jobs...

jms62 · #19 08-26-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Funny thing is that there are tons of people coming into the country that are able to find jobs...

Even more funny is a good deal are hired cash only and don't pay taxes.. And even funnier yet alot of the Employers are die hard boot conservatives that bitch and moan about the defecit yet hire non documented workers who tax the medical system and don't pay taxes that would reduce the defecit. None work in your barn of course... Just sayin.

Cannon Shell · #20 08-26-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Even more funny is a good deal are hired cash only and don't pay taxes.. And even funnier yet alot of the Employers are die hard boot conservatives that bitch and moan about the defecit yet hire non documented workers who tax the medical system and don't pay taxes that would reduce the defecit. None work in your barn of course... Just sayin.

Hold on are you saying that cash jobs exist that American workers dont want? Well you are half right. There are plenty of jobs that Americans don't want but the days of paying cash are long over for any decent sized business. What about the billions of withheld money that never gets claimed by undocumented workers? The Gov't/IRS collects that money every 2 weeks via EFT. I guess that money doesn't count. it is much easier to just pay people above board than try to pay cash especially when you are audited by your workmans comp company every year.

It has been my experience that American workers in my business are generally the ones who claim "exempt" on their tax forms or want to work for cash or fill out a 1099 and never file, not the "foreign" workers.