A quick poll take two

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

they should go to the doctor and pay for a visit.

doctors can choose to provide pro bono work. People can provide money towards charities to help poor people with their health care.

That's what we have now. With our American system, we have 60 million uninsured, that the rest of us are paying for when they go to the ER. They can't afford to pay for a visit, or buy insurance.

What happens to those that make less than about $40,000 a year, who cannot afford routine doctor visits, the cost of meds without a copay, etc? No health care for them?

but #1, lawyers need to get out of the heath care business so it can become much more affordable.

I don't think Americans should be limited in seeking redress for unhappy outcomes in medical care. Some are justified, some are not.

These are tough questions.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't think Americans should be limited in seeking redress for unhappy outcomes in medical care. Some are justified, some are not.

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you want to have your cake and eat it too.

if you want cheaper health care in this country #1 thing is to get rid of the lawyers.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you want to have your cake and eat it too.

if you want cheaper health care in this country #1 thing is to get rid of the lawyers.

Naw. First, I don't think that the cost of malpractice insurance, although great and indeed forcing doctors out of certain practices (for example, delivering babies), that isn't driving the cost of medicare care in this country that I've ever seen documented. If you have documentation, please post it.

Secondly, I don't think people should be legally limited from seeking redress in this country.

[joeydb]

At what point do high taxes become "oppressive government" ?

[dellinger63]

I think every American should have the same access to health care.
Agree
Everyone should have the same access to healthcare. Like car insurance, insurers should base rates solely on expected risk. In addition people in California and New York should be able to shop for a policy with a company based out of Alabama or Mississippi and vice versa.

25% of American children live in poverty. That is their parents responsibility, not society's.
Agree
Probably in 25% of the time it is the parents and more commonly an absent mother and father. When a kid lives in poverty yet sits in front of a flat screen with cable wearing his Nikes while Mom sports more artwork on her body than is hanging on the wall are simple clues of it being the parents’ fault.

The greatness of America is my freedom from oppressive government.
Agree
But that is changing for the worse every year. Now I get to pay for insurance policies for people who have spent a lifetime smoking and not really giving a crap about their health.


Health care is only for those that can afford it.
Agree
The best healthcare is for only those that can afford it. There are plenty of free clinics and county hospitals that provide care. Plus 9-11 is still available to all.

People should always pay their own way. If they can't afford something, including food, tough.
Agree
We have a giant food stamp program to go with neighborhood pantries, soup kitchens and churches. No one should starve especially a child, disabled or elderly person (and especially person who has made SS payments all their life that were wasted by the Fed)


Elderly Americans can't get health care, nobody will insure them. We should do something about that.
Agree
We did it’s called Medicare. We should though make sure the elderly who paid into SS all their lives be treated with priority as opposed to the elderly who spent their lives collecting from, in part, the formers SS payments.


I don't mind paying a little, so every American knows they will not be in poverty in their old age.
Agree
Provided the money I pay via a deduction every paycheck goes to people in their old age and not to say some crazy solar panel company that is doomed from the start.


25% of American children live in poverty. We should all contribute a little, to help them.
Agree
We should ALL contribute a little so the 50% who pay taxes don’t have to pick up the whole tab. Even if ‘contributing’ is making sure the children get their homework done and keeping in contact with their teachers.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Health care is only for those that can afford it.
Agree
The best healthcare is for only those that can afford it. There are plenty of free clinics and county hospitals that provide care. Plus 9-11 is still available to all.

Baloney. What ignorance of reality you have, and complete lack of empathy for anyone not in your personal situation. We have a healthcare crisis in this country. We have one of the worse healthcare systems in the world regarding access and overall health of our nation. Those "free clinics and county hospitals" are paid for by us. Duh.

"No one should starve" - you're full of unrealistic silly imaginary talking points that don't mesh with reality. The reality is that 25% of our children are living in poverty and not eating. Where are all those food stamps and church food banks you pretend exist?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Baloney. What ignorance of reality you have, and complete lack of empathy for anyone not in your personal situation. We have a healthcare crisis in this country. We have one of the worse healthcare systems in the world. Those "free clinics and county hospitals" are paid for by us. Duh.

I know that and am willing to pay for it. It also is far from the best healthcare available.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

"No one should starve" - you're full of unrealistic silly imaginary talking points that don't mesh with reality. The reality is that 25% of our children are living in poverty and not eating. Where are all those food stamps and church food banks you pretend exist?

Tell you what. For every child you post that has starved to death due to poverty (not neglect) I'll post a food pantry and homeless shelter and I bet I won't have to leave the city of Chicago. In fact, I likely won't have to leave Michigan Ave and State Street.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I think every American should have the same access to health care.
Agree
Everyone should have the same access to healthcare. Like car insurance, insurers should base rates solely on expected risk. In addition people in California and New York should be able to shop for a policy with a company based out of Alabama or Mississippi and vice versa.

25% of American children live in poverty. That is their parents responsibility, not society's.
Agree
Probably in 25% of the time it is the parents and more commonly an absent mother and father. When a kid lives in poverty yet sits in front of a flat screen with cable wearing his Nikes while Mom sports more artwork on her body than is hanging on the wall are simple clues of it being the parents’ fault.

The greatness of America is my freedom from oppressive government.
Agree
But that is changing for the worse every year. Now I get to pay for insurance policies for people who have spent a lifetime smoking and not really giving a crap about their health.


Health care is only for those that can afford it.
Agree
The best healthcare is for only those that can afford it. There are plenty of free clinics and county hospitals that provide care. Plus 9-11 is still available to all.

People should always pay their own way. If they can't afford something, including food, tough.
Agree
We have a giant food stamp program to go with neighborhood pantries, soup kitchens and churches. No one should starve especially a child, disabled or elderly person (and especially person who has made SS payments all their life that were wasted by the Fed)


Elderly Americans can't get health care, nobody will insure them. We should do something about that.
Agree
We did it’s called Medicare. We should though make sure the elderly who paid into SS all their lives be treated with priority as opposed to the elderly who spent their lives collecting from, in part, the formers SS payments.


I don't mind paying a little, so every American knows they will not be in poverty in their old age.
Agree
Provided the money I pay via a deduction every paycheck goes to people in their old age and not to say some crazy solar panel company that is doomed from the start.


25% of American children live in poverty. We should all contribute a little, to help them.
Agree
We should ALL contribute a little so the 50% who pay taxes don’t have to pick up the whole tab. Even if ‘contributing’ is making sure the children get their homework done and keeping in contact with their teachers.

Dell, they won't let me put 8 trophies here. But well done!

[Calzone Lord]

I was in kind of an agreeable mood.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

At what point do high taxes become "oppressive government" ?

I don't know, Joey. Taxes have never been lower. You'll have to go back in history. What do you think? Is your SSDI an oppressive tax on all the rest of us?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't know, Joey. Taxes have never been lower. You'll have to go back in history. What do you think? Is your SSDI an oppressive tax on all the rest of us?

Where do you get this SSDI thing? Are you that juvenile to start making things up about me here? Did I frustrate you that much?

Get a grip lady. You need some couch time with a shrink.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Where do you get this SSDI thing? Are you that juvenile to start making things up about me here? Did I frustrate you that much?

Get a grip lady. You need some couch time with a shrink.

I thought it was you who posted here that you receive a Social Security Disability Income check. If that was not you, I apologize. Although I don't see why you'd be angry about that. Is that you, or not?