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Old 08-18-2011, 02:42 PM
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I'm sorry, but do people really think every single major division one program has hookers, reproductive services, and SUV's available for their players? That's a pretty uneducated opinion.
oh yeah? buy a clue

the only uneducated comment is yours. At least I've heard my information from people who have worked in major division one football programs.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:16 PM
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oh yeah? buy a clue

the only uneducated comment is yours. At least I've heard my information from people who have worked in major division one football programs.
I'd love to hear of the folks you know who've worked in major division one football programs. Presuming you won't name a team, what conference? Big 10? Big 12? Big East? That would make for some interesting discussion.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:39 PM
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I'd love to hear of the folks you know who've worked in major division one football programs. Presuming you won't name a team, what conference? Big 10? Big 12? Big East? That would make for some interesting discussion.
Big East... thats as far as I'll take it though.

believe me, recruits from most all big schools are supplied girls. You really think that Shapiro stopped off in Hialeah and picked up some crack whores on the side of the street for the players to run trains on? A booster that throws a party and pays strippers to party with the players doesnt just happen in South Beach.

did you read the article I posted? I think it explains it very well. "There is a Nevin Shapiro knock off on every campus"

My father says there is no way Penn State would ever be involved in stuff like that because he has a ton of respect for Joe Pa... but IMO thats just turning a blind eye because you like someone. He also thinks Phillies players didnt use steriods back in the day. Wasnt Penn State winning a ton of games back in the 80's and 90's when the cheating was as bad as its ever been?
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:55 PM
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I don't dispute that shady dealings are happening, as I said before. But come on, read the report. 72 players, Frank Haith, and other coaches all received some sort of illegal benefit from Teddy Dupay (love the pseudonym, by the way). Throwing a party and having loose sorority girls available is a lot different than renting a room for a night and paying strippers to play hide the salami.

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigatio...enefits_081611

P.S. - debatable that 4/5ths of the Big East could be considered major college football, even with Temple's departure from the league.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:57 PM
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did you see the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary on Marcus Dupree?

that was interesting... "My son wont play for Oklahoma unless I get my double wide!!!"
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:08 PM
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http://m.deadspin.com/5422547/a-brie...ting-hostesses

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/788...L7PQLanchO7DiU
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Old 08-18-2011, 04:19 PM
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Like I said, big difference between a hostess program (read: loose college co-eds who really love their football) and rounding up a dozen girls at Bare Xposure or Delilah's (couple of Philly references for you) and paying them to do a couple recruits or players.
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thats if you really believe Miami is the only place where boosters supply athletes with strippers.

But I personally believe that a university employing hostesses to get underage recruits drunk and blow them is just as bad. I highly doubt they are volunteering their time.
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Like I said, big difference between a hostess program (read: loose college co-eds who really love their football) and rounding up a dozen girls at Bare Xposure or Delilah's (couple of Philly references for you) and paying them to do a couple recruits or players.
Why?
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the only uneducated comment is yours. At least I've heard my information from people who have worked in major division one football programs.
Pac 10 Stanford when was the last time any of this nonsense was attributed to them?
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:42 AM
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Pac 10 Stanford when was the last time any of this nonsense was attributed to them?
Just because they haven't been caught does not mean nothing is going on.

The NCAA rules are so insane, I truly believe if you looked close enough at Stanford, you'd find violations. Surely not to the degree of what went on at the U, but the random dinner, plane ticket for an underprivilidged player, couple hundred bucks tucked into a pocket.... It's happening there too.
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Good question. Let me preface this with I am definitly not a Hurricanes fan. If this is an isolated incident then there is no question they should. But if anyone believes that this is an isolated incident then they are a moron. This stuff happens everywhere. Miami just happenned to get caught.
In the last 5 years Miami has had 0 players arrested. Florida, who some people consider a clean program, had like 40 and Florida State had like 30.
Miami has rejected numerous 5 star high school players in the last 10 years because of shady backgrounds or poor academic persormance. The SEC schools couldn't sign these guys up fast enough.
The USA today published the graduation rate of all teams that made a Bowl game last year. Miami was second only to Stanford.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:11 AM
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Back to the original question. I don't know if they deserve it or not, I do not know the criteria.

I do know the NCAA will not give them the death penalty. They saw what it did to SMU and will not do it again. Too many people in and around a football program rely on that program to make a living. Not to mention hurting the City of Miami and the surrounding area. If the NCAA were to dole out another death penalty, it hurts many more people than just the University at fault.
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Back to getting away from the original question......this is just part of the sell out in microcosm.


Colleges can't get enough money and perks;neither can their athletes.

What's fair is fair.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:36 AM
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Former three sport recruit.
All different schools recruiting for different sports. (except Miami and Georgia).
Al Golden was a high school football coach at a school I may or may not have gone to. Many of my classmates from the area and time went to Div. 1 schools for various sports.
The recruiting trips were all very similar and an awful lot of fun for 17 and 18 year old kids. RPI for hockey did not treat us to much more than dinner and a tour of the facility.
Miami takes great advantage of the location/reputation and makes sure it is a damn good time.
I feel bad for the current administration there and think a lot of this will just go away over time. UM has a lot to lose and now has a legit guy at the helm of the football program.
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