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Old 08-13-2011, 09:51 PM
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If you key off her Appalachian race, there is really no other horse in the race that had run anything close to that. She was marooned on the far outside, raced 5 wide, yet still managed to get within 6.5 lengths of the best turf filly in America.
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Old 08-13-2011, 10:48 PM
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2009 BC mile Furthest Land was 20-1, he had a previous BSF that te rest of field was nowhere near...

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Old 08-14-2011, 06:03 AM
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2009 BC mile Furthest Land was 20-1, he had a previous BSF that te rest of field was nowhere near...


That's maybe the best recent big race example.
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Old 08-14-2011, 06:57 AM
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I didn't get a bet down, but to Justin's point, Santina Dond was not a difficult filly to include or even key off her Thoro-Graph figs as well. She was a crazy price considering she had gotten back to her top (7.5) last time, and was 3rd/4th 'fastest' among Happy Choice (6.5), Notassharpasuthink (6.75) and Holidaysatthefarm (7.5).

I think what made her float to the 30-1 was how much speed was signed on and her appearance as perhaps the cheapest looking of the speeds. To her credit, she was only beaten 6+ lengths by Winter Memories in April (as I see Kev pointed out). I'd like to hear the story of how she went from Keeneland yearling to Poland.
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Old 08-14-2011, 07:49 AM
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I'd like to hear the story of how she went from Keeneland yearling to Poland.
Poland is the new Dubai. As soon as Pat starts a RacenightKrakow.com website they will be there. Of course they have the advantage of not handicapping themselves with synthetic surfaces AND the Keilbasa stand at Warsaw Park is off the charts
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Old 08-14-2011, 09:12 AM
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It's not hard to figure out why the horse was 30/1 --- it was 4th in a starter alw race two-starts back -- and didn't win the day it got the big figure last out.

I'm being super Captain Obvious with this point --- but, whenever a "Top last out fig" horse wins and pays more than 20/1 ... they are typically coming off a big new top and have "cheap" form on the go-back.

Dancing In Silks won the Breeders Cup Sprint less than two years ago at 25/1 as the top Beyer horse coming out of a nose win in a super-fast Cal Cup race.

Obviously War Emblem and Charismatic both won the Kentucky Derby at a huge price as "top last out Beyer" horses -- I think Charismatic was 30/1 ... both of them had very "cheap" form prior to their freakish performances that came from out of nowhere in the Ill Derby (War Emblem's case) and Lexington Stakes (Charismatic's case)
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I I'd like to hear the story of how she went from Keeneland yearling to Poland.
Given the names of the connections, Vladamir Kazakov owns and Gennadi Dorochenko trains, I can connect the dots from Lexington to Poland.
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Old 08-14-2011, 09:16 AM
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Given the names of the connections, Vladamir Kazakov owns and Gennadi Dorochenko trains, I can connect the dots from Lexington to Poland.
I was joking with someone a few months ago -- there was a card at Mountaineer Park that had 3 different imports from Poland racing on it.
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Old 08-15-2011, 09:53 AM
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You would almost never see figure horses overlooked like this on dirt, even the ones with horrible back form. Even the people out for a Sunday stroll discount the value of turf figures. Maybe that's a good reason to pay more attention.
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Old 08-14-2011, 09:57 AM
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Given the names of the connections, Vladamir Kazakov owns and Gennadi Dorochenko trains, I can connect the dots from Lexington to Poland.
Uh huh.. Having a Polish last name, I was able to make that connection too. Who are these guys and what's the back story?
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PHUCK POLAND!

"Each year, around 30,000 horses are exported from Central and Eastern Europe for slaughter in Italy, France and Belgium in what can fairly be described as one of the cruellest and least regulated aspects of Europe’s live animal trade. Poland is the biggest exporter of live horses for slaughter in Europe. Ten years ago there were one million horses in Poland but that number has now been reduced to 500,000."

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Old 08-14-2011, 10:49 AM
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Uh huh.. Having a Polish last name, I was able to make that connection too. Who are these guys and what's the back story?
http://www.barntowire.com/2011/APnotes110503.html

Prior to Arlington I think he was racing at Mountaineer as Doug pointed out and doing very well win wise.
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Old 08-15-2011, 08:29 PM
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Uh huh.. Having a Polish last name, I was able to make that connection too. Who are these guys and what's the back story?
They are Russians, not Poles, and both owner and trainer are former jockeys.

You'll find out all about him this weekend in the DRF when Marcus Hersh writes a DRF Weekend piece about him...which was interestingly assigned before the stakes race win.

Outside of his own racing entity, and Kazakov, Dorochenko's other main owners are Mongolian, and trawl around the AP front side to watch works in the morning, chain smoking and speaking Russian as if they just came off the steppe.
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Old 08-15-2011, 07:02 PM
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I didn't get a bet down, but to Justin's point, Santina Dond was not a difficult filly to include or even key off her Thoro-Graph figs as well. She was a crazy price considering she had gotten back to her top (7.5) last time, and was 3rd/4th 'fastest' among Happy Choice (6.5), Notassharpasuthink (6.75) and Holidaysatthefarm (7.5).

I think what made her float to the 30-1 was how much speed was signed on and her appearance as perhaps the cheapest looking of the speeds. To her credit, she was only beaten 6+ lengths by Winter Memories in April (as I see Kev pointed out). I'd like to hear the story of how she went from Keeneland yearling to Poland.
yes, to me race seemed absolutely loaded with speed ----closers did come flying but a bit too late and the horse Dominguez rode seemed blocked the most of all
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