Wisconsin recall elections today - huge turnout

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You do realize the union bill was signed into law almost six months ago?

At least if the recall of Walker goes foward we'll be assured that those who cast a vote will actually be that person or at least have a valid ID proving such.

Are you referring to Kathy The Clerk trying to cheat again, and deliberately hold out votes until she sees how many are needed to ensure a win?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No one is losing their job. They're just going to have to kick in for their health insurance and pension. You know like the rest of America. And the only reason I do give a shiat about Gov employees is because I pay their salary.
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That's so funny how you try to spin it and justify it. You remember when Walker told the Unions, "I'm gonna bust you, because you need to contribute more". And the Unions immediately agreed to kick in more for their pensions and health care.

The unions agreed to 100% of Walkers budget requests, immediately.

And Walker busted them anyway.

Oh, Walker, that liar! Pushing his ALEC-Koch-RGA agenda of state law changes.

And that makes you nothing but a disingenuous Union-buster, too.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Spin, spin, spin. It's kinda desperate and sad.

Right now it's Democrats 3 Republicans 3, with 2 games to go, and both are skewed heavily Dem.

Dems already won their home game, and they just stole 2 of yours last night. Looks like it will be Dems 5 GOP 3 in the end.

Dell: there are only 2 Dem seats next week. And out of all the "outside influence", your girl Darling was the winner, setting a new state election record. The GOP outspent the Dems 2 to 1.

Talk about spin. First you're right there are only two recall elections next week and I predict a split. Kenosha will go to the GOP. Right now even if the two dems retain their seats the GOP holds a one seat advantage. If your hope and victory is a Rep crossing the aisle so be it. If one of the seats next week goes to the good guys it won't matter.

And stating the GOP spent double what the Dems spent in the recall election is false and after being bombarded with commercials, dems 2-1, laughable.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Talk about spin. First you're right there are only two recall elections next week and I predict a split. Kenosha will go to the GOP. Right now even if the two dems retain their seats the GOP holds a one seat advantage. If your hope and victory is a Rep crossing the aisle so be it. If one of the seats next week goes to the good guys it won't matter.

And stating the GOP spent double what the Dems spent in the recall election is false and after being bombarded with commercials, dems 2-1, laughable.

I'll bet you even think the poll numbers from this election, showing 5 of the 6 districts barely supporting Republicans any more, are good.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

And that makes you nothing but a disingenuous Union-buster, too.

This wasn't a union busting bill, unions representing private sector workers are not a part of the law.

This was a law protecting the taxpayer from being extorted by public workers' unions. When you have unions paying to elect officials who then pay back unions with crazy one-sided contracts there is a problem. It was based on fiscal responsiblity not some imagined 'hate' the Governor has for public workers. He was simply fixing a wrong and looking out for the taxpayers of the great State of WI first!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll bet you even think the poll numbers from this election, showing 5 of the 6 districts barely supporting Republicans any more, are good.

You realize there was more of an incentive for Dems to go out and vote? Then again you live in KY so you know more than the people in WI do.

PS your recall failed but glad you feel it was a win.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Talk about spin. First you're right there are only two recall elections next week and I predict a split. Kenosha will go to the GOP. Right now even if the two dems retain their seats the GOP holds a one seat advantage. If your hope and victory is a Rep crossing the aisle so be it. If one of the seats next week goes to the good guys it won't matter.

And stating the GOP spent double what the Dems spent in the recall election is false and after being bombarded with commercials, dems 2-1, laughable.

Dems: held 1 seat
Dems: gained 2 seats
Dems: will hold 2 seats next week

Reps: lost 2 seat in red districts, barely held 2 seats, held 2 seats

Walker: recalled in January.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You realize there was more of an incentive for Dems to go out and vote? Then again you live in KY so you know more than the people in WI do.

PS your recall failed but glad you feel it was a win.

The Wisconsin Democratic Party is pretty happy that that the GOP is declaring a win here (for losing two always-Republican seats to Dems?! Okay ... ) because that shows how easy it will be to continue on with the Walker recall. They are very excited.

I grew up and lived in northern Illinois, went to Wisconsin alot, have family land and interests and contacts in Wisconsin. I like it alot.

[Antitrust32]

Walker wont be recalled. You can book it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Walker wont be recalled. You can book it.

I do think alot of driving is flaring anger, that will be gone in January, so there will be an uphill fight. The downside is GOP districts are less GOP, the current national GOP party isn't well-liked versus Dems, and Walker has to hold the large urban Democratic areas. These recalls were in very reliably conservative areas for the GOP. The electorate may be burnt out on elections. So we'll see.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Wisconsin Democratic Party is pretty happy that that the GOP is declaring a win here (for losing two always-Republican seats to Dems?! Okay ... ) because that shows how easy it will be to continue on with the Walker recall. They are very excited.

I grew up and lived in northern Illinois, went to Wisconsin alot, have family land and interests and contacts in Wisconsin. I like it alot.

First Kapanke lost in a highly Democratic area that has always been supported by Democrats. Hopper didn't lose by much and his original election with King was close in 2008 so yeah huge win for the dems!

These recall elections and the Kloppenberg vs Prosser elections were at the height of the democratic support. You have no idea the amount of out of state people that have been here and the ridiculous amount of money that was spent for the dems. The fact is when the Dems were playing their best ballgame they fell short. Once the teachers, the public union workers and the tax payers of this state realize what is happening isn't really bad and it is actually working the dems are done in this state. They rushed this thru as fast as they could (before people realize the repair bill will be a good thing and before they get their property tax bill in Dec) playing as many games as possible and they lost. Dems most likely will lose one more seat next week so net gain is one seat if that happens. $30+ million for 1 seat. I guess you can call it a win. Keep spending money in our state we could use the revenue.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

First Kapanke lost in a highly Democratic area that has always been supported by Democrats. Hopper didn't lose by much and his original election with King was close in 2008 so yeah huge win for the dems!

These recall elections and the Kloppenberg vs Prosser elections were at the height of the democratic support. You have no idea the amount of out of state people that have been here and the ridiculous amount of money that was spent for the dems. The fact is when the Dems were playing their best ballgame they fell short. Once the teachers, the public union workers and the tax payers of this state realize what is happening isn't really bad and it is actually working the dems are done in this state. They rushed this thru as fast as they could (before people realize the repair bill will be a good thing and before they get their property tax bill in Dec) playing as many games as possible and they lost. Dems most likely will lose one more seat next week so net gain is one seat if that happens. $30+ million for 1 seat. I guess you can call it a win. Keep spending money in our state we could use the revenue.

Yes, that's the Republican take on it. And actually yes, I have a good idea of the money spent, it's publicly listed and I've been paying attention. Even donated to the recall cause.

Just remember the current Walker mantra, "We cut the budget, and created jobs!" (except when you actually look at the math)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

One of the GOP Senators, Schultz, is against Walkers agenda (voted against the union busting bill) and tends to vote independently, and has been caucusing with Democrats.

So there is no automatic Republican majority any more

good, but not exactly what the dems were after. they didn't get the majority they so desperately wanted.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

good, but not exactly what the dems were after. they didn't get the majority they so desperately wanted.

awww.....missed it by that much!

[Danzig]

not quite the roi they were looking for i'm sure. odd isn't it, so many outraged-yet the vote doesn't change the status quo? wonder why that could be?


perhaps part of it is the recognition that asking state employees to do a bit more is just part of the overall effort that needs to be made by everyone? things have changed, people must as well. things cannot continue as they have.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Are you referring to Kathy The Clerk trying to cheat again, and deliberately hold out votes until she sees how many are needed to ensure a win?

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...ike-tate-says/

so nice that you stay consistent in judging people without knowing the facts

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by wiphan

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...ike-tate-says/

so nice that you stay consistent in judging people without knowing the facts

She should sue his "pants on fire" butt off!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...ike-tate-says/
so nice that you stay consistent in judging people without knowing the facts

That's not what I said or was referring to, rocket scientist.

I said: Are you referring to Kathy The Clerk trying to cheat again, and deliberately hold out votes until she sees how many are needed to ensure a win?

As I said, and as anybody who was paying half-assed attention to the election Tuesday night would realize, was
I was referring to when, Tuesday night, she announced she would not be releasing the rest of the vote totals until Wednesday morning in Darling's district. The cry was overwhelming, and she changed her mind.

That has nothing to do with what Tate said. I stand behind what I say. I should not need to defend myself from nonsensical pretend crap you make up in your imagination. So don't whine about my "facts" when you aren't even talking about the same thing.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what I said or was referring to, rocket scientist.

I said: Are you referring to Kathy The Clerk trying to cheat again, and deliberately hold out votes until she sees how many are needed to ensure a win?

As I said, and as anybody who was paying half-assed attention to the election Tuesday night would realize, was
I was referring to when, Tuesday night, she announced she would not be releasing the rest of the vote totals until Wednesday morning in Darling's district. The cry was overwhelming, and she changed her mind.

That has nothing to do with what Tate said. I stand behind what I say. I should not need to defend myself from nonsensical pretend crap you make up in your imagination. So don't whine about my "facts" when you aren't even talking about the same thing.

you stated she deliberately was trying to hold out the votes (by the way she was on the news during the election talking about what was going on and what was posted and when) and you called her a cheat. I am sure you have made mistakes during your professional career would you want to be judged the way she has been by the liberals, the media etc. Yes she made a mistake in the Prosser election. People make mistakes. That doesn't mean she deliberately did it nor does it make her a cheat which both you have suggested. Kind of like your judgment of David Prosser

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

you stated she deliberately was trying to hold out the votes (by the way she was on the news during the election talking about what was going on and what was posted and when) and you called her a cheat.

Yes, I just quoted what I actually said. Which has nothing at all to do with the nonsensical crap you attempted to pretend I said. As I said, you don't whine about my "facts" when you aren't even talking about the same thing.

And as far as Judge David Prosser goes, I've seen him be a misogynistic j***azz, and a plain j***azz, on video. No "rush to judgment" there, just what he is for all to visibly see. He's also in deep trouble. Special prosecutor just requested. He's toast.

Ahead of WI Recall Elections Prosser Investigation Gets Special Prosecutor
August 3, 2011

After reviewing the Dane County Sheriff’s investigation into the alleged choking of a female Supreme Court Justice by Supreme Court Justice David Prosser, the Dane County DA is requesting a special prosecutor to review the incident. Due to the expense of a special prosecutor, this move suggests that the Sheriff’s report indicates that there may be validity to the charge that Prosser put Justice Ann Walsh Bradley into a chokehold on July 13, 2011.
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The alleged choking incident occurred in Bradley’s office as the justices argued over the timing of the release of its ruling on an Open Meetings violation lawsuit soon after Justice Prosser won his seat back after an election fraught with accusations of fraud.

The actions and procedures of Republican county clerk Kathy Nickolaus during that election and the canvassing of it are being investigated (this is not her first go around with the law; she was granted immunity during an investigation into the Republican legislature when she worked for them as a computer data analyst).

However, before the logs were fully reviewed, Justice Prosser was declared the winner by the Government Accountability Board. His “win” maintained the conservative bent of the court, and as Prosser was billed as a “complement” to Governor Walker’s agenda, it was obvious (if disappointing due to the evidence) that if he won, the court would overturn the void on the union-killing bill.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/pross...ial-prosecutor