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Old 08-10-2011, 12:14 PM
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This is even better !!

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Old 08-10-2011, 01:14 PM
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LOL - I'm sorry I was late to this party. I see the union-busters have already had their day in the sun. So let's put this in a different light without the desperate spin:

Six conservative long-time-Republican districts in Wisconsin were so infuriated with what their elected officials were doing, that they got enough signatures to hold recall elections of every eligible GOP candidate they had in office.

The Republicans, on the other hand, could only muster recall elections against three of the five Democrats eligible. One already won his election. Two more are coming up.

These conservative Republican districts then were so mad at what their Republican representatives were doing to their state, they kicked out two of their own Republican representatives, and replaced them with Democrats.

It's fun to try and spin this as a "Republican win" - for losing two of your staunchly GOP seats? To Democrats? In bright red conservative districts?

To put this in perspective, only 13 times in this nations history have voters elected to recall state officials.

Wisconsin now holds the record with 2 at once, and it was kicking GOP out of their own conservative districts, too.

These new Democrats in the Senate, along with the Republican Senator Schultz, who has started caucusing with the Democrats (as he's not a Walker pawn, he votes with his conscience) gives the Democrats equal sway with the Republicans, effecting requiring both parties to have a crossover vote to get anything passed.

Walker's agenda has been removed from the fast-track. He no longer holds an automatic majority. He's been rendered "bipartisan" if he wants anything to pass.

This is no "reinforcement" of Walker's agenda: these popular Republicans were not elected last fall. Quite the opposite - they were elected two years ago, and were popular in their districts. They have nothing to do with Walker, other than voting for Walker's ALEC-RGA-Koch agenda goals.

The third race with Darling was neck and neck for hours, with Republican Stooge Kathy the Clerk (she of the "oh, look I found 7,000 more votes for my man a day later) trying again to withhold revealing votes until tomorrow (today). That brought an immediate rain of charges of voter fraud and legal hassle down on her head - thus she let them go, although it wasn't until near or after midnight. The other candidate did lose by few percentage points.

Overall: Walker recall in January goes forward, with a very fired-up Wisconsin.

And Walker has some worries, because his recall won't be conservative districts kicking out Republicans. He has two massive Democratic strongholds he has to carry and outnumber.

Yesterday also had a recall election in NH, where a GOP was replaced by a Democratic.

So those in Michigan and Ohio, also with recalls under consideration, are very excited for the momentum.

As is the Democratic party going into 2012, where current polling shows they have a good change of retaking the House.

ROR !

The additional problem is that all of these Republicans, even the ones that one, performed far worse than their previous winners. The Republican brand is not strong nor as supported going forward.

If you are a polling geek, this is bad news for the Republican brand, to have lost so much cred so quickly.
Five of the six districts have markedly dropped in Republican support this recall election

Comparison of Republican/Democratic Margins, 2010 General vs. 2011 Recall

SD-02 2010 Gubernatorial:
Walker (R) +16.1%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +18.6%
2011 Recall: Cowles (R) +20.8%

SD-08
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +9.0%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +8.5%
2011 Recall: Darling (R) +7.3%

SD-10:
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +18.4%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +16.9%
2011 Recall: Harsdorf (R) +15.3%

SD-14:
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +16.5%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +16.3%
2011 Recall: Olsen (R) +4.3%

SD-18:
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +15.7%
2010 Senate: Johnson (R) +19.0%
2011 Recall: King (D) +2.2%

SD-32:
2010 Gubernatorial: Walker (R) +0.7%
2010 Senate: Feingold (D) +1.7%
2011 Recall: Shilling (D) +10.8%
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:25 PM
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Sounds like a speech you'd give a t-ball team after they lost for the second time. I'll predict with the outside union influence defeated and gone from the State 2 of the 3 dem seats will go over to the GOP next week.

Glad you feel so good losing though. Good game!
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:33 PM
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Sounds like a speech you'd give a t-ball team after they lost for the second time. I'll predict with the outside union influence defeated and gone from the State 2 of the 3 dem seats will go over to the GOP next week.

Glad you feel so good losing though. Good game!
Spin, spin, spin. It's kinda desperate and sad.

Right now it's Democrats 3 Republicans 3, with 2 games to go, and both are skewed heavily Dem.

Dems already won their home game, and they just stole 2 of yours last night. Looks like it will be Dems 5 GOP 3 in the end.

Dell: there are only 2 Dem seats next week. And out of all the "outside influence", your girl Darling was the winner, setting a new state election record. The GOP outspent the Dems 2 to 1.
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Spin, spin, spin. It's kinda desperate and sad.

Right now it's Democrats 3 Republicans 3, with 2 games to go, and both are skewed heavily Dem.

Dems already won their home game, and they just stole 2 of yours last night. Looks like it will be Dems 5 GOP 3 in the end.

Dell: there are only 2 Dem seats next week. And out of all the "outside influence", your girl Darling was the winner, setting a new state election record. The GOP outspent the Dems 2 to 1.
Talk about spin. First you're right there are only two recall elections next week and I predict a split. Kenosha will go to the GOP. Right now even if the two dems retain their seats the GOP holds a one seat advantage. If your hope and victory is a Rep crossing the aisle so be it. If one of the seats next week goes to the good guys it won't matter.

And stating the GOP spent double what the Dems spent in the recall election is false and after being bombarded with commercials, dems 2-1, laughable.
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:54 PM
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Talk about spin. First you're right there are only two recall elections next week and I predict a split. Kenosha will go to the GOP. Right now even if the two dems retain their seats the GOP holds a one seat advantage. If your hope and victory is a Rep crossing the aisle so be it. If one of the seats next week goes to the good guys it won't matter.

And stating the GOP spent double what the Dems spent in the recall election is false and after being bombarded with commercials, dems 2-1, laughable.
I'll bet you even think the poll numbers from this election, showing 5 of the 6 districts barely supporting Republicans any more, are good.
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I'll bet you even think the poll numbers from this election, showing 5 of the 6 districts barely supporting Republicans any more, are good.
You realize there was more of an incentive for Dems to go out and vote? Then again you live in KY so you know more than the people in WI do.

PS your recall failed but glad you feel it was a win.
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Talk about spin. First you're right there are only two recall elections next week and I predict a split. Kenosha will go to the GOP. Right now even if the two dems retain their seats the GOP holds a one seat advantage. If your hope and victory is a Rep crossing the aisle so be it. If one of the seats next week goes to the good guys it won't matter.

And stating the GOP spent double what the Dems spent in the recall election is false and after being bombarded with commercials, dems 2-1, laughable.
Dems: held 1 seat
Dems: gained 2 seats
Dems: will hold 2 seats next week

Reps: lost 2 seat in red districts, barely held 2 seats, held 2 seats

Walker: recalled in January.
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