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06-30-2011, 10:30 AM
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what does my boss have anything to do with it? she has the same exact crappy plan as I do. infact all 8000 of us do. because of the PPACA, United health care got rid of two of the three options, leaving us all with a extremely high deductable policy. because of the stupid cadillac tax, apparently Obama does not want anyone to have good health insurance policies. who are you to accuse my boss of lying when you have absolutely no idea about what you are talking about?
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06-30-2011, 10:32 AM
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an extremely minimal amount of tort reform.
just admit it, the dems failed us with this law. they could have accomplished actual health care reform... instead they created a ton of government agency's and decreased benefits for the working class. what a wonderful trillion dollar bill.
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06-30-2011, 10:42 AM
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 The importance of everyone receiving some care now trumps the quality or cost of care. It's the Obama/socialistic way. Maybe he can add a provision that those who pay anothers subsidy are also responsible for providing transportation and if needed babysitting and pet sitting services while they visit the doctor. 
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06-30-2011, 03:43 PM
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts
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06-30-2011, 04:49 PM
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You think reducing bedsores, a key component of the "savings" is going to save 1/2 Billion? You think screening Medicare claims and providers is going to save 1/2 Billion? You think they aren't screened now? You think setting up the ACO to study ways to save money will lower costs by 1/2 Billion? Maybe you do. FACT is, every politician since Johnson has campaigned saying they can pull savings from Medicare. Did you believe them?
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06-30-2011, 04:56 PM
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Nonsensical crap. You think that's bull? You called it bull. So explain why the quality of care has gone down due to the PPACA and deliberately been sacrified for quantity. Now: you want to talk about the validity of Medicare savings within the PPACA, I'll point to closing the donut hole, the provisions rewarding doctors for results rather than visits, and yeah, the review of duplication of treatment. You can maintain those provisions will fail, I will maintain that they will hopefully work, and we'll have to wait for the verifiable result, one way or the other, to see.
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06-30-2011, 05:05 PM
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You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Closing the Donut Hole is not a cost Savings. It is an cost Expenditure. It is ludicrous to call it anything else. There is nothing inherently wrong in saying it is good for seniors to get more $$ transfered their way through higher Medicare PD reimbursement. It is, however, a blantant falsehood to call it a Medicare cost savings.
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06-30-2011, 06:29 PM
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06-30-2011, 08:44 PM
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Have a good Fourth weekend. Don't go through Minnesota.
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07-01-2011, 09:22 AM
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BTW The Fourth is my favorite holiday. If on the Lake the night of the third you can see, Lake Geneva, Fontana, Linn, Lyons, Williams Bay and Lake Como shows all at the same time. One huge carbon contribution to the world and all are paid for privately by business/resorts and personal donations. It's the WI way! The shows together don't equal what's coming up in a few weeks when Dreyfuss holds his annual b-day party though. Have a good fourth yourself and remember no Johnsonville Brats or Miller for libs.
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07-01-2011, 09:52 PM
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07-01-2011, 09:22 AM
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what you really should do to save time is to admit that you believe every bullshit line fed to you by the news and by politicians of either party. That you believe the b.s that the legislation will save Medicare money and ignore the results of Medicare legislation of the last 30 years. This would be the right and honorable thing to do but it's better for you to proclaim yourself an expert and lie your head off. What a blockhead you are.
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07-01-2011, 09:50 PM
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Do you want to be taken seriously? Or do you want to be treated how you act? Pick one.
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06-30-2011, 02:44 PM
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What part of the PPACA "caused" United Health Care to get rid of options? It's nice to blame the PPACA for UHC taking a last huge profit grab. But there is nothing in the PPACA that forced that. Not one thing. What is false is them blaming the PPACA. I mentioned your boss as I thought you said previously, when you talked about your employee health insurance increasing, that your boss had told you the rising costs were due to the PPACA.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 06-30-2011 at 03:08 PM.
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06-30-2011, 04:57 PM
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It's nice to blame the PPACA for UHC taking a last huge profit grab. QUOTE] Bullshit You no doubt think Health Insurance is some wildly profitable business and have drank the anti-insurance company bullshit of the past 20 years. Tell us all your answer to this question: If health insurance is so profitable, why do so few insurers even underwrite health? What is your answer to this? Where is Metropolitan? Where is Prudential? Where is Allstate? Where is Hartford? Where is Travelers? Where is Liberty? Chubb? The answer is they used to be in health insurance. Now they are not. They all have left during the past 20 years. Do you think they left because they got tired of "grabbing huge profits," as you say?
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06-30-2011, 05:03 PM
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The PPACA is mostly consumer protections. Why? Because they are needed. Interestingly, stock in insurance companies rose when the PPACA became law. The health business is about 20% of our economy. That's absurd. It costs more to provide healthcare, per person, in the United States than in other first world countries, and we do not have the same quality of outcomes, nor do we have the same general population health, and we have the most uninsured and unseen by the healthcare system citizens of any other first world country. Yeah, the PPACA is a good start. What we need in this country is to offer a single payer opportunity. Offer Medicare buy in to anybody, of any age, who wants in. If the insurance companies can compete in an open market, they are welcome to.
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06-30-2011, 05:07 PM
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You laughingly deflected away from answering why all the insurers I listed left the Health insurance market. No snappy transition for you there, I guess.
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06-30-2011, 05:15 PM
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And closing the donut hole saves money because people then can afford to purchase and take their medications - for diabetes, their heart problems, high blood pressure, etc - which decreases the cost of their lifetime health care. So it's an expenditure that pays bigger savings dividends in both health costs and better health. Like people having health insurance and being seen at the start of problems is better than not treating them until they end up in crisis in an emergency room.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 06-30-2011 at 05:26 PM.
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07-01-2011, 09:25 AM
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UHC is doing it because the cadillac tax. end of story
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