Tu Endie Wei

[Calzone Lord]

Not really strangely run - Hope For A Win was up a pole in the blink of an eye last out.

She was totally loose again - not like other speeds were run into the ground trying to go with her.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Not really strangely run - Hope For A Win was up a pole in the blink of an eye last out.

She was totally loose again - not like other speeds were run into the ground trying to go with her.

I thought in her previous race, when she went 21 & 2, Husbands attempted to rate her a bit after getting that big lead. Emma Jayne did no such thing on Saturday, and the race did collapse. No other speed horses ran with her, they couldn't, but it then caused them to potentially do something they weren't yet comfortable doing, trying to close.

Despite all this, I agree with you, I think she can be a special horse.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by golfer

and the race did collapse.

Can a 5 furlong race on synthetic really collapse? That's like a 3.5 furlong race on dirt.

[PatCummings]

To lend some perspective using the Trakus data, Tu Endie Wei traveled 3,377 feet in the five furlong race, breaking from post 13. The number of five furlong races with horses breaking from 12 and out are limited, but the average they've traveled is 3,359 feet. For all horses running five furlongs at Woodbine, the average traveled is 3,345 feet.

Tu Endie Wei's winning margin was 4.75 lengths, but if given the average trip, she probably wins by more than 8 lengths, and almost assuredly would've broken the course record with an inside trip. She traveled anywhere between 9 and 45 feet more than the rest of the field.

The second place horse, who closed from well back, is going to look good on paper coming back, but Tu Endie Wei traveled 31 feet more and still beat her well. I think the second place horse is the one to potentially bet against next out considering many people are probably going to think her late move was flashy.

[Calzone Lord]

Is the rail good there, Pat?

I don't bet Woodbine - but I watch a lot of races on TV - and it seems like the wides do fine.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Is the rail good there, Pat?

I don't bet Woodbine - but I watch a lot of races on TV - and it seems like the wides do fine.

From a pure post position standpoint, there aren't any overwhelming post biases for sprinting wins.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Can a 5 furlong race on synthetic really collapse? That's like a 3.5 furlong race on dirt.

It can when it's 2yo fillies in June.

[Calzone Lord]

Races for 2yo fillies in June at 5fs are won wire-to-wire at an ungodly high percentage.

When a lot of those winners come together - sure - you're going to get a fast pace.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Not really strangely run - Hope For A Win was up a pole in the blink of an eye last out.

She was totally loose again - not like other speeds were run into the ground trying to go with her.

Didn't the other horses that figured to show speed all get gutted merely giving chase to the frontrunner? Except for your OBS superhorse, the superfecta was made up of runners from the back half of the field. I don't think the Pletcher and co. were rating behind the leader. Whether or not that's the definition of a "collapse", I don't know, but certainly the speed didn't hold which seems atypical for that race (I think the last 3 years have been won wire-to-wire).

Some field it was, too. Made up of Penn National and Presque Isle maiden breakers and a couple of maiden claiming winners. The other first time starter in there (a late running 5th) was less than 9-1.

I'll wait for Keeneland before anointing this one.

[Calzone Lord]

This horse is good Rolo. Just the money it took said a whole lot.

By the way, I didn't cash on anything in it.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

This horse is good Rolo. Just the money it took said a whole lot.

By the way, I didn't cash on anything in it.

Why would the odds be important in this case (a 5f 2yo stakes in June)? Wasn't the other first time starter a relatively low price, too?

Who was the heavy in there?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Why would the odds be important in this case (a 5f 2yo stakes in June)? Wasn't the other first time starter a relatively low price, too?

Who was the heavy in there?

A Johar half to Biofuel should be more like 55/1 debuting at 5fs.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

A Johar half to Biofuel should be more like 55/1 debuting at 5fs.

Biofuel, a multiple graded stakes winning Canadian champion, won her debut sprinting over the same course for the same connections, a 20% barn that is one of the most recognizable in this country coming out of Canada.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Biofuel, a multiple graded stakes winning Canadian champion, won her debut sprinting over the same course for the same connections, a 20% barn that is one of the most recognizable in this country coming out of Canada.

She was like The_Fat_Man's favorite horse.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'll wait for Keeneland before anointing this one.

After one race, of course, I'll wait too, but there should be some reason to be excited by the potential given the ridiculously strong effort. Not sure if you are a Reade Baker fan, but I love the guy and he held nothing back to suggest that she was special. For a guy like that to no mince words, even on a special horse, is something, he was even talking Breeders' Cup. Just not his norm.