Updating the Guerrero Numbers

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Just so I'm clear...bettors are fools and we need PETA to crack down on trainers?

IF PETA wants to bicker about horse racing, then those trainers that dope horses and consequently harm the health of horses is a legitimate argument. Thier current platform argument is about the whipping horses and "forcing" horses to run is a stupid and baseless argument.

Bettors are fools because the industry see us that way when they turn the other cheek and allow these trainers to do what they do. Get caught and its a weeks vacation minus a 1000 bucks.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

IF PETA wants to bicker about horse racing, then those trainers that dope horses and consequently harm the health of horses is a legitimate argument. Thier current platform argument is about the whipping horses and "forcing" horses to run is a stupid and baseless argument.

Bettors are fools because the industry see us that way when they turn the other cheek and allow these trainers to do what they do. Get caught and its a weeks vacation minus a 1000 bucks.

Don't listen to them helicopter. They are just bitter. I think using PETA to police the sport is a great idea. How about a joint venture between PETA and the NAACP?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Don't listen to them helicopter. They are just bitter. I think using PETA to police the sport is a great idea. How about a joint venture between PETA and the NAACP?

Sarcasm noted. I guess no one is for the idea of naked chicks protesting in front of race tracks.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Sarcasm noted. I guess no one is for the idea of naked chicks protesting in front of race tracks.

How about naked chicks on horseback, giving away drugs as symbolism for the clearance of doping from the business

You aren't going to change anything. The beuracoracy harbpg derp

[analyizethis]

Maybe we should suggest something that can be done.

Don't bet the races he enters.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

IF PETA wants to bicker about horse racing, then those trainers that dope horses and consequently harm the health of horses is a legitimate argument. Thier current platform argument is about the whipping horses and "forcing" horses to run is a stupid and baseless argument.

Bettors are fools because the industry see us that way when they turn the other cheek and allow these trainers to do what they do. Get caught and its a weeks vacation minus a 1000 bucks.

You get no arguement from me about PETA's current arguements. But the last thing the sport needs is any more involvement from them in any capacity.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You get no arguement from me about PETA's current arguements. But the last thing the sport needs is any more involvement from them in any capacity.

PETA is not the solution to police the sport. However, trusting the established beuracoracy to change the habits of these trainers is not a solution either. Nothing has been changed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

IF PETA wants to bicker about horse racing, then those trainers that dope horses and consequently harm the health of horses is a legitimate argument. Thier current platform argument is about the whipping horses and "forcing" horses to run is a stupid and baseless argument.

Bettors are fools because the industry see us that way when they turn the other cheek and allow these trainers to do what they do. Get caught and its a weeks vacation minus a 1000 bucks.

Why do people assume that what is given to horses "harms" them? Assuming he is using a steroid (I would guess this is about 99.8% chance of this) the drug is probably helping the horses rather than harming them.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do people assume that what is given to horses "harms" them? Assuming he is using a steroid (I would guess this is about 99.8% chance of this) the drug is probably helping the horses rather than harming them.

Haha...it's definitely helping them alright.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Haha...it's definitely helping them alright.

Sure its helping.... It's helping them put on more mass than their skeletons can support.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sure its helping.... It's helping them put on more mass than their skeletons can support.

You do realize that anabolics are used for healing injuries right? When used properly anabolic steroids are beneficial for racehorses in training. Of course since Mr G seems to be using them in spite of a ban on them the postive attributes are kind of a sidebar.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You do realize that anabolics are used for healing injuries right? When used properly anabolic steroids are beneficial for racehorses in training. Of course since Mr G seems to be using them in spite of a ban on them the postive attributes are kind of a sidebar.

So you figure they arent testing his horses for steriods

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So you figure they arent testing his horses for steriods

They aren't testing for the right ones.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You do realize that anabolics are used for healing injuries right? When used properly anabolic steroids are beneficial for racehorses in training. Of course since Mr G seems to be using them in spite of a ban on them the postive attributes are kind of a sidebar.

Yes I do know that but do you also agree with my point being valid if they are misused on a healthy horse?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Yes I do know that but do you also agree with my point being valid if they are misused on a healthy horse?

Any medication that is misused can be dangerous. Just listen to the drug ads on TV when they list the potential side effects.... "may cause strokes and possibly death in rare occasions"...

The advantage steroids give someone who has them when others dont is 1. recover from injuries (however minor) faster and 2. recover from work better, allowing the trainer to train harder with out the the usual repercussions.

If you watch his horses train and his pattern where he claims one and usually takes his time before running them back (allowing the steroids to work) and that the 2nd race after the claim is a lot of time even better than the first you have to figure that he is using steroids. That is exactly how you would do it if you had an anabolic that wasn't being detected.

Can continued abuse of steroids lead to breakdown of the skeletal system? Sure. But driving cars can lead to accidents too.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do people assume that what is given to horses "harms" them? Assuming he is using a steroid (I would guess this is about 99.8% chance of this) the drug is probably helping the horses rather than harming them.

We have all seen how much steriods have "harmed" Barry Bonds' health.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

We have all seen how much steriods have "harmed" Barry Bonds' health.

Just think if he was a horse?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Just think if he was a horse?

He'd probably have more stolen bases.....................

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why do people assume that what is given to horses "harms" them? Assuming he is using a steroid (I would guess this is about 99.8% chance of this) the drug is probably helping the horses rather than harming them.

....if thats the case they should be legal to all runners.