Wisconsin Supreme Court recount - Dem. Kloppenberg leads Repub. Prosser

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

that's good news let's see if she even has the nads to run again. If she does I assure you repubs will not re-elect her.

Complete nonsense. Repubs already have elected her, as a Prosser-faithful Repub who escaped felony ethics charges on a state level by turning states evidence against her fellow Repubs who went to jail. She used to work for Prosser. The county clerk position is her paid political reward for being a good party hack.

And you call a publicly-admitted-politically-activist-admitted-non-impartial state supreme court judge a "good guy"?

Our country is screwed.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Complete nonsense. Repubs already have elected her, as a Prosser-faithful Repub who escaped felony ethics charges on a state level by turning states evidence against her fellow Repubs who went to jail. She used to work for Prosser. The county clerk position is her paid political reward for being a good party hack.

And you call a publicly-admitted-politically-activist-admitted-non-impartial state supreme court judge a "good guy"?

Our country is screwed.

Have you even looked at the facts and the careers of these 2 judges? Not what you read in the paper or online. The actual facts. How they conducted their campaigns and handled themselves? If you have you would undoubtly agree that the good guy and most deserving candidate did win. A supreme court judge candidate who acted in the way that Kloppenberg did is unreal.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Have you even looked at the facts and the careers of these 2 judges? Not what you read in the paper or online. The actual facts. How they conducted their campaigns and handled themselves? If you have you would undoubtly agree that the good guy and most deserving candidate did win. A supreme court judge candidate who acted in the way that Kloppenberg did is unreal.

No, the "deserving candidate" did not win, IMO. The political hack scumbag won. The "impartial judge" who publicly said he'll support the Republican governor's agenda. But that's why we hold elections. I think the proof of how well Kloppenberg handled herself lays in the fact that this was supposed to be a clear walkover election for Prosser, and he barely hung on to win in a recount.

On to the recall elections.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the "deserving candidate" did not win, IMO. The political hack scumbag won. The "impartial judge" who publicly said he'll support the Republican governor's agenda. But that's why we hold elections. I think the proof of how well Kloppenberg handled herself lays in the fact that this was supposed to be a clear walkover election for Prosser, and he barely hung on to win in a recount.

On to the recall elections.

I guess the idea of a supreme court judge declaring victory and passing judgment with only a few hundred vote difference originally is how our judges should handle themselves. Also we should take everything we read in the newspapers and online as correct as compared to the actual voting record or career of the judge

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I guess the idea of a supreme court judge declaring victory and passing judgment with only a few hundred vote difference originally is how our judges should handle themselves.

Well, yes. Absolutely. When it is stated officially that all the votes are in and counted, precinct by precinct, and that there is a 200 vote victory, and it's you, Kloppenberg rightly came out - not prematurely, she waited until the official vote count was completed - and said looks like we won, and waited to see if Prosser was going to file a recount petition - which they were angry and foaming at the mouth to do, and you know it.

What in the world is wrong with Kloppenberg coming out at the end of a long count and saying "looks like we won by 200 votes"? Then acknowledging the election isn't yet certified, knowing that would prompt the auto recount. Seriously? You think that was bad behaviour? Seriously?

Then, three days later, Waukesha had the Dem election judges certify the results for that county in the am, that afternoon the right wing blogs started talking about a 7,000 count bag of uncounted votes found [how did right wing websites know about this before election officials?], and there was a 5:00pm press conference where the Waukesha county clerk said she found those votes had magically been deleted from her computer, and were not in the totals counted. And she knew about it before that morning, when she had the Dems sign off on the election results of her county.

Yes, I know exactly who the classier candidate - and party - was in this election.

The Republicans are on their way out in Wisconsin. They will no longer hold the statehouse majority, and they know it - they are panicking, rushing through every bill giving Walker more and more power they can think of. Walker will be recalled, too. The demonstrations and activism are still strong in Wisconsin. The GOP came into power and did things they never mentioned, and the citizens are pissed. Walker can't go anywhere without demonstrators every single day. Walker is stuck with his union busting bill making it's way through the courts, because he doesn't have the votes now to retake it and simply pass it the normal way (without secret meetings, saying it's not a budget bill so they don't need a certain vote count, etc).

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, yes. Absolutely. When it is stated officially that all the votes are in and counted, precinct by precinct, and that there is a 200 vote victory, and it's you, Kloppenberg rightly came out - not prematurely, she waited until the official vote count was completed - and said looks like we won, and waited to see if Prosser was going to file a recount petition - which they were angry and foaming at the mouth to do, and you know it.

What in the world is wrong with Kloppenberg coming out at the end of a long count and saying "looks like we won by 200 votes"? Then acknowledging the election isn't yet certified, knowing that would prompt the auto recount. Seriously? You think that was bad behaviour? Seriously?

Then, three days later, Waukesha had the Dem election judges certify the results for that county in the am, that afternoon the right wing blogs started talking about a 7,000 count bag of uncounted votes found, and there was a 5:00pm press conference where the Waukesha county clerk said she found those votes had magically been deleted from her computer, and were not in the totals counted. And she knew about it before that morning, when she had the Dems sign off on the election results of her county.

Yes, I know exactly who the classier candidate - and party - was in this election.

The Republicans are on their way out in Wisconsin. Walker is stuck with his union busting bill making it's way through the courts, because he doesn't have the votes now to retake it and simply pass it the normal way (without secret meetings, saying it's not a budget bill so they don't need a certain vote count, etc).

Again you say that the votes magicaly appeared. Was it magic or were not all votes properly counted? As someone who stands against voter id because it disenfranchises voters I would think you would want every vote counted.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Again you say that the votes magicaly appeared. Was it magic or were not all votes properly counted? As someone who stands against voter id because it disenfranchises voters I would think you would want every vote counted.

Yes, the votes magically appeared. Do I think she simply screwed up? Most likely. I have no way of knowing if she deliberately held them back to see if they would be needed, or not. Those bags, during the recount, were found to have incorrect sealing information, wrong tags, wrong initials, etc.

Waukesha election results and recount procedure were so screwed up, they were the only county that couldn't get their recount completed in time, and had to get official permission from the judge for an extension.

Do I think she created those votes out of thin air? No. I think they are real votes.

Did she know about those votes being "magically deleted" (which plenty of computer whizes familiar with the program she uses says is impossible, it's auto-saved) yet have the Dems certify the election results anyway? Yes, she did, and she admitted it.


Don't forget this is the woman who almost went to prison for her political - elected official activity - she turned states evidence and got let off in favor of sending her friends to prison.

She has a history of illegal activity associated with her government service.

She's a pure, partisan Republican political hack who used to work for Prosser.

The current multi-state attempt at changing current voter ID requirements, when there is no "voter fraud", is simply an attempt to disinfranchise voters who tend to vote Democratic, and everyone knows it. It was put out to the Republican Governors at the last RGA meeting (financed by the Koch Brothers) as something they wanted the GOP govs to do before the 2012 election. That was covered by the press at the time. It's like re-districting - it's a political ploy to try and win elections.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you call a publicly-admitted-politically-activist-admitted-non-impartial state supreme court judge a "good guy"?

Our country is screwed.

If you're consistent with your thought and think deeply about the US not WI supreme court the country is screwed for the same reasons you just pointed out. I however have faith in the US and the good will overcome the bad and common sense not Al Gore like fantasies will prevail. Question is how long will we sink before we start bailing out the ship?

[dellinger63]

LMAO yea protecting the individual criminal instead of society. Do they qualify for Obamacare subsidies? Break your window and steal your stuff tonight with insurance paid by you. Riot is right what a freakin world we live in.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...74M3DQ20110523

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

LMAO yea protecting the individual criminal instead of society. Do they qualify for Obamacare subsidies? Break your window and steal your stuff tonight with insurance paid by you. Riot is right what a freakin world we live in.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...74M3DQ20110523

Overcrowded prisons - suicides, illness, filth - human rights violations - Obamacare healthcare vouchers are evil.

Sure, that makes sense.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Overcrowded prisons - suicides, illness, filth - human rights violations - Obamacare healthcare vouchers are evil.

Sure, that makes sense.

3 meals a day, fresh water, heat and medical but no that's not good enough, poor guys are sleeping in a gym. Release them on society, I'm sure they've all learned their lesson.

How about cancelling the check to Egypt and let's build more prisons if needed. You know worry about protecting law abiding, U.S. citizens, 60% of whom even pay income tax, rather than egyptians?

[joeydb]

Why wasn't Charles Manson's sentence commuted back to the original death penalty when California reinstated that punishment?

We can start to empty those prisons that way...

[Riot]

Well, no, actually the problems were stopped up toilets with the fecal-urine water running on the floor, rats, cockroaches, bedbugs, etc.

But don't bother to learn anything about the situation before you use it to diss Obama for something totally unrelated

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, no, actually the problems were stopped up toilets with the fecal-urine water running on the floor, rats, cockroaches, bedbugs, etc.

But don't bother to learn anything about the situation before you use it to diss Obama for something totally unrelated

Statistics show 50% of the released prisoners will be back. Should we be building more prisons or sending checks to egypt and pakistan among the list? Is our economy still in trouble or are we celebrating its end by showering gifts on the world? Want to know how many crimes are done statistically before an offender is caught? Multiply that by 20K are we're talking a real crime wave coming up. Only consolation is it's California.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

3 meals a day, fresh water, heat and medical but no that's not good enough, poor guys are sleeping in a gym. Release them on society, I'm sure they've all learned their lesson.

How about cancelling the check to Egypt and let's build more prisons if needed. You know worry about protecting law abiding, U.S. citizens, 60% of whom even pay income tax, rather than egyptians?

How about stop locking up drug users and save the country billions?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

How about stop locking up drug users and save the country billions?

Check your math on that.

When there are more overdoses, plane crashes from drugged out pilots, malpractice from drugged out surgeons, more useless druggies getting welfare instead of working, do you really think we'll "save" money?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

How about stop locking up drug users and save the country billions?

Drug users or those convicted of minor drug offenses are rarely sentenced to prison unless it is a violation of probation or a charge picked up while incarcerated. In IL the average time served for murder is less than 15 years.

I know the State of CA has a three strike policy so releasing those in for minor shoplifting and drug charges I have no problem with.

Here's some info from the Fed on the subject

There is a myth in this country that U.S. prisons are filled with drug users. This assertion is simply not true. Actually, only 5 percent of inmates in federal prison on drug charges are incarcerated for drug possession. In our state prisons, it’s somewhat higher—about 27% of drug offenders. In New York, which has received criticism from some because of its tough Rockefeller drug laws, it is estimated that 97% of drug felons sentenced to prison were charged with sale or intent to sell, not simply possession. In fact, first time drug offenders, even sellers, typically do not go to prison.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/10so.htm

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If you're consistent with your thought and think deeply about the US not WI supreme court the country is screwed for the same reasons you just pointed out. I however have faith in the US and the good will overcome the bad and common sense not Al Gore like fantasies will prevail. Question is how long will we sink before we start bailing out the ship?

If you were consistent with the political philosophies you demagogue, you could never vote Republican again.

Alas, so it goes.