Democracy In Egypt

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/29/bu...n.html?_r=1&hp

Ugly example of mob mentality but note that other Egyptian citizens aided in her rescue. I don't think anyone here sees this other than an animalistic, lawless attack. And yes, women in Egypt do not enjoy the same rights as men but Egypt is a more westernized society than most Arab states. I will never defend the abuse of women, gays or any minority in any society...it is wrong, it is indefensible! Still, not all Muslims can be grouped together, it's not their religion that causes such violence but their failure to adhere to it's principles.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Ugly example of mob mentality but note that other Egyptian citizens aided in her rescue. I don't think anyone here sees this other than an animalistic, lawless attack. And yes, women in Egypt do not enjoy the same rights as men but Egypt is a more westernized society than most Arab states. I will never defend the abuse of women, gays or any minority in any society...it is wrong, it is indefensible! Still, not all Muslims can be grouped together, it's not their religion that causes such violence but their failure to adhere to it's principles.

Middle Eastern Muslims can generally be grouped together with thier abuse towards women.

I'm not sure any Muslim community accepts gays.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Middle Eastern Muslims can generally be grouped together with thier abuse towards women.

I'm not sure any Muslim community accepts gays.

Again, I think it's a mistake to assume any community is of a single mindset. Majority...perhaps but then a nation's rules are decided by those in power, particularly in non-democratic systems.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, I think it's a mistake to assume any community is of a single mindset. Majority...perhaps but then a nation's rules are decided by those in power, particularly in non-democratic systems.

It would be a mistake to trust those communities to act like civilized human beings.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

It would be a mistake to trust those communities to act like civilized human beings.

The same can be said on many college campuses in this country after a big game...fires, riots, looting. I don't think you can judge all students of a particular school based on the actions of a lawless few. I don't defend lawlessness anywhere, but I don't think you can paint with such a broad brush.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The same can be said on many college campuses in this country after a big game...fires, riots, looting. I don't think you can judge all students of a particular school based on the actions of a lawless few. I don't defend lawlessness anywhere, but I don't think you can paint with such a broad brush.

they've painted themselves. Of course not everyone is a bad guy.. but the bad outweigh the good over in the Middle East.

Its crazy that people are so PC that they bury their heads in the sand and act like there isnt a Muslim problem in this world. it's crazy also that there are insensitive people who try to equate college parties and looting to gang rape by 200-300 Middle Eastern Muslim men in the middle of a town square.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

they've painted themselves. Of course not everyone is a bad guy.. but the bad outweigh the good over in the Middle East.

Its crazy that people are so PC that they bury their heads in the sand and act like there isnt a Muslim problem in this world. it's crazy also that there are insensitive people who try to equate college parties and looting to gang rape by 200-300 Middle Eastern Muslim men in the middle of a town square.

And it's also crazy that some folks can't read a post without translating everything to suit their own mindset...nobody is equating one with the other...the post was in regards to an earlier post which said it's a mistake to expect "those communities" to act like civilized human beings. The campus riots are not an example of acting like "civilized human beings", I could also mention other examples such as the Harlem riots in the 60's and the Watts riots, ever witness the KKK in action? The point, which you deliberately distort is not to equate which events are worse but to show that all societies, even ours, has it's share of lawless idiots. In the Soviet Union before the fall of same, they took advantage of any misbehavior in this country to brand America as a lawless society. Folks who want to demonize Islam based on misbehavior of some are doing exactly the same thing. Calling me and others who express similar views crazy and insensitive might make you feel good but it doesn't change the facts...there are good folks and there are bad folks everywhere and we aren't so perfect and highly evolved that we can point the finger at other cultures, religions and peoples.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Ugly example of mob mentality but note that other Egyptian citizens aided in her rescue. I don't think anyone here sees this other than an animalistic, lawless attack. And yes, women in Egypt do not enjoy the same rights as men but Egypt is a more westernized society than most Arab states. I will never defend the abuse of women, gays or any minority in any society...it is wrong, it is indefensible! Still, not all Muslims can be grouped together, it's not their religion that causes such violence but their failure to adhere to it's principles.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

ditto