3-year-old Recap - Updated Derby Chances

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Nevertheless, she's still probably Todd Pletcher's best shot to get back-to-back Derby victories.

Hardly.

Even if UM was done, I'd take Brethren or even that Joe Vann over her.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Hardly.

Even if UM was done, I'd take Brethren or even that Joe Vann over her.

Joe Vann isn't TC nominated and wouldn't get in on earnings. Brethren is worthless. But still, R Heat Lightning can't win the Derby.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Joe Vann isn't TC nominated and wouldn't get in on earnings. Brethren is worthless. But still, R Heat Lightning can't win the Derby.

Correct.

Though, now that I think about that dazzling logic you just used on me, I think that yeah, since neither Joe Vann or Brethren can win the Derby, then absolutely, R Heat Lightning is an immortal lock!!!

Everything is perfectly fugging clear now.

Your brain is made out of marshmallow.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Correct.

Though, now that I think about that dazzling logic you just used on me, I think that yeah, since neither Joe Vann or Brethren can win the Derby, then absolutely, R Heat Lightning is an immortal lock!!!

Everything is perfectly fugging clear now.

Your brain is made out of marshmallow.

Maybe you thought my second comment was sarcastic. . . it wasn't. My point was that saying you'd take Joe Vann or Brethren over R Heat Lightning is like saying you'd take Scavs over PG1985 in the NYC marathon. . . Either way, they're all hopeless.

I don't know why I bother responding to you when it comes to discussing something that sort of pertains to handicapping. You're good for two things: Predictably obsessing over Indian Charlie, and stroking DrugS'. . . ego.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

stroking DrugS'. . . ego.

I can assure you I have no ego.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I can assure you I have no ego.

You should have one. . . unlike your #1 fan.

[DaTruth]

Perhaps Pletcher has been thinking Triple Crown all along with Uncle Mo, and after assessing the competition and reading all the posts here about how the wheels would fall off after Uncle Mo won the Derby, has trained him accordingly. The Wood was intended to be the first race off the shelf following the Timely Writer public work.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Maybe you thought my second comment was sarcastic. . . it wasn't. My point was that saying you'd take Joe Vann or Brethren over R Heat Lightning is like saying you'd take Scavs over PG1985 in the NYC marathon. . . Either way, they're all hopeless.

I don't know why I bother responding to you when it comes to discussing something that sort of pertains to handicapping. You're good for two things: Predictably obsessing over Indian Charlie, and stroking DrugS'. . . ego.

Most of the things I say about Indian Charlie are tongue in cheek, but I'm starting to get the feeling that you have the mentality of a Johnny Pinwheel or TFF, minus the abrasiveness. Your ability to discern any sort of subtlety from what you see or read is non existent.

As for DrugS. Are you serious? I rip on that mofo probably more than anyone on here.

I do respect his ability with the horses, and he is one of the truly more interesting posters on here because of his ability to think outside the same, narrow, self imposed lines that people draw for themselves.

You are, however, way off base if you think I'm stroking his ego. He's a freaking ****** in real life.

I'll tell you what. From now on, if you like, I'll preface any posts pertaining to IC or DrugS with an explanation of whether I'm serious, half serious, mostly not serious, or completely joking. That way you can keep your brain on auto pilot.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Most of the things I say about Indian Charlie are tongue in cheek, but I'm starting to get the feeling that you have the mentality of a Johnny Pinwheel or TFF, minus the abrasiveness. Your ability to discern any sort of subtlety from what you see or read is non existent.

As for DrugS. Are you serious? I rip on that mofo probably more than anyone on here.

I do respect his ability with the horses, and he is one of the truly more interesting posters on here because of his ability to think outside the same, narrow, self imposed lines that people draw for themselves.

You are, however, way off base if you think I'm stroking his ego. He's a freaking ****** in real life.

I'll tell you what. From now on, if you like, I'll preface any posts pertaining to IC or DrugS with an explanation of whether I'm serious, half serious, mostly not serious, or completely joking. That way you can keep your brain on auto pilot.

If it's tongue in cheek, then you really need a new gimmick. You're the one who misunderstood what I was saying and concluded that my brain was "marshmallow" (rather hilarious). . . I can assure you - if I ever miss the masterful subtlety of one of your posts, it's because I can't be bothered to wade through all the bullshit.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

If it's tongue in cheek, then you really need a new gimmick. You're the one who misunderstood what I was saying and concluded that my brain was "marshmallow" (rather hilarious). . . I can assure you - if I ever miss the masterful subtlety of one of your posts, it's because I can't be bothered to wade through all the bullshit.

You've been on DT longer than I have.

It was not until maybe the last year or so that I started doing my IC shtick. Prior to that, I barely mentioned my namesake.

I thought it would be pretty obvious that after several years of being restrained and fairly objective about my favorite horse, that I was teasing PG1985 and Betsy, and their rather over the top enthusiasm over their favorite stallions.

Those would be Giants Causeway for PG1985 and anything AP Indy for Betsy, in case you didn't figure it out.

Perhaps you never really paid any attention to my posts, which is fine, but you sure seem to be lately, so I doubt that is it.

This leads to the most likely conclusion that you are humorless.

And yeah, you know what, people who are so single minded, to me, they have brains of marshmallow.

As for misunderstanding your post about RHL, I did not misunderstand it at all. It was nonsensical, and I treated it as such.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'll tell you what. From now on, if you like, I'll preface any posts pertaining to IC or DrugS with an explanation of whether I'm serious, half serious, mostly not serious, or completely joking. That way you can keep your brain on auto pilot.

There is no need for that. Management has spared no expense by providing us with an array of smilies to serve as visual cues.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He's a freaking ****** in real life.

Pippy would disagree.

He drove all the way from the Jersey Shore to Saratoga - just to spend a day at the track with me ... and he happened to pick the only day in Saratoga history when they cancelled the entire card before the first race -because of heat.

And - Pippy - a 2nd time - drove all the way to Saratoga from the Jersey Shore the following week.

Now, if I was truly an A-hole - I would have just said a quick hello and went about my routine of standing by the video replay tv's all day - and betting from there.

However, being the good guy that I truly am - after the Siro's Seminar I introduced Pippy to America's hottest tv handicapper at the current moment.

I let Pippy buy me a seat upstairs next to him - I let him buy me a hot dog, fries, and large pop from Nathen's for lunch - and I sat with him for the entire card .... it was like a Make-A-Wish Foundation event type thingy for him.

[Sightseek]

People take the internet way to seriously.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Pippy would disagree.

He drove all the way from the Jersey Shore to Saratoga - just to spend a day at the track with me ... and he happened to pick the only day in Saratoga history when they cancelled the entire card before the first race -because of heat.

And - Pippy - a 2nd time - drove all the way to Saratoga from the Jersey Shore the following week.

Now, if I was truly an A-hole - I would have just said a quick hello and went about my routine of standing by the video replay tv's all day - and betting from there.

However, being the good guy that I truly am - after the Siro's Seminar I introduced Pippy to America's hottest tv handicapper at the current moment.

I let Pippy buy me a seat upstairs next to him - I let him buy me a hot dog, fries, and large pop from Nathen's for lunch - and I sat with him for the entire card .... it was like a Make-A-Wish Foundation event type thingy for him.

His description of his date with you that day was pretty funny.

Can you believe he actually called you cheap?

And did you really inflict Pippy on poor Serling? I hoped you warned Serling beforehand not to say anything that Pip might perceive in a harmful way.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Most of the things I say about Indian Charlie are tongue in cheek, but I'm starting to get the feeling that you have the mentality of a Johnny Pinwheel or TFF, minus the abrasiveness. Your ability to discern any sort of subtlety from what you see or read is non existent.

As for DrugS. Are you serious? I rip on that mofo probably more than anyone on here.

I do respect his ability with the horses, and he is one of the truly more interesting posters on here because of his ability to think outside the same, narrow, self imposed lines that people draw for themselves.

You are, however, way off base if you think I'm stroking his ego. He's a freaking ****** in real life.

I'll tell you what. From now on, if you like, I'll preface any posts pertaining to IC or DrugS with an explanation of whether I'm serious, half serious, mostly not serious, or completely joking. That way you can keep your brain on auto pilot.

its hard not to be abrasive here...especially the crap that qualifies for betting knowledge....then again some one has to stir the pot. then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....this is bandwagon central....thats part of the reason i'm abrasive(i don't follow the lemmings). how many times have you seen me say...."this horse can't lose"...or the classic....."the rest are running for second". this is horse racing, there is no such thing as "superman" or "santa claus". almost every horse can and will lose at some point. i'll give credit where its due though....hes absolutely right you can't bet uncle mo at under 10-1....but somehow he gives the horse an almost 20% chance of winning...makes perfect sense in the derby trail world.....i just have trouble reading and digesting the hype. people are right this crap is useful....it builds confidence......lol. that horse probably has a 20% chance of missing the top 4....so hes right there too. i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion. people just hate that.....you think i don't know i'm a pain in the ass too.....lol. i try to make people think for themselves which is the key to success when you are gambling on anything!!!!!! you can be a "fan" all you want and you'll lose all the time too. i've been reading here since the big brown is the best dilemma of 2008....lol

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

its hard not to be abrasive here...especially the crap that qualifies for betting knowledge....then again some one has to stir the pot. then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....this is bandwagon central....thats part of the reason i'm abrasive(i don't follow the lemmings). how many times have you seen me say...."this horse can't lose"...or the classic....."the rest are running for second". this is horse racing, there is no such thing as "superman" or "santa claus". almost every horse can and will lose at some point. i'll give credit where its due though....hes absolutely right you can't bet uncle mo at under 10-1....but somehow he gives the horse an almost 20% chance of winning...makes perfect sense in the derby trail world.....i just have trouble reading and digesting the hype. people are right this crap is useful....it builds confidence......lol. that horse probably has a 20% chance of missing the top 4....so hes right there too. i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion. people just hate that.....you think i don't know i'm a pain in the ass too.....lol. i try to make people think for themselves which is the key to success when you are gambling on anything!!!!!! you can be a "fan" all you want and you'll lose all the time too.

Honestly, I shouldn't have lumped you together with TFF.

That out of the way though, what makes you say you think outside the lines? You really rarely say anything on here that would show that. Most of the time you blast people for being dumb only after the fact, and you seem pretty serious about it.

Which is, I guess, kind of ironic, as that is something that I think I just got accused of myself!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

its hard not to be abrasive here...especially the crap that qualifies for betting knowledge....then again some one has to stir the pot. then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....this is bandwagon central....thats part of the reason i'm abrasive(i don't follow the lemmings). how many times have you seen me say...."this horse can't lose"...or the classic....."the rest are running for second". this is horse racing, there is no such thing as "superman" or "santa claus". almost every horse can and will lose at some point. i'll give credit where its due though....hes absolutely right you can't bet uncle mo at under 10-1....but somehow he gives the horse an almost 20% chance of winning...makes perfect sense in the derby trail world.....i just have trouble reading and digesting the hype. people are right this crap is useful....it builds confidence......lol. that horse probably has a 20% chance of missing the top 4....so hes right there too. i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion. people just hate that.....you think i don't know i'm a pain in the ass too.....lol. i try to make people think for themselves which is the key to success when you are gambling on anything!!!!!! you can be a "fan" all you want and you'll lose all the time too. i've been reading here since the big brown is the best dilemma of 2008....lol

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....

I have a hard time believing you typed this with a straight face. You're a legend in you own mind.

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion.

The problem is, your opinions are ALWAYS post race. Where are your pre race non standard opinions? It's easy after the race.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

its hard not to be abrasive here...especially the crap that qualifies for betting knowledge....then again some one has to stir the pot. then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....this is bandwagon central....thats part of the reason i'm abrasive(i don't follow the lemmings). how many times have you seen me say...."this horse can't lose"...or the classic....."the rest are running for second". this is horse racing, there is no such thing as "superman" or "santa claus". almost every horse can and will lose at some point. i'll give credit where its due though....hes absolutely right you can't bet uncle mo at under 10-1....but somehow he gives the horse an almost 20% chance of winning...makes perfect sense in the derby trail world.....i just have trouble reading and digesting the hype. people are right this crap is useful....it builds confidence......lol. that horse probably has a 20% chance of missing the top 4....so hes right there too. i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion. people just hate that.....you think i don't know i'm a pain in the ass too.....lol. i try to make people think for themselves which is the key to success when you are gambling on anything!!!!!! you can be a "fan" all you want and you'll lose all the time too. i've been reading here since the big brown is the best dilemma of 2008....lol

Louise Foster would be proud.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

its hard not to be abrasive here...especially the crap that qualifies for betting knowledge....then again some one has to stir the pot. then you talk about "thinking outside the lines"....theres not many here besides me that do that....this is bandwagon central....thats part of the reason i'm abrasive(i don't follow the lemmings). how many times have you seen me say...."this horse can't lose"...or the classic....."the rest are running for second". this is horse racing, there is no such thing as "superman" or "santa claus". almost every horse can and will lose at some point. i'll give credit where its due though....hes absolutely right you can't bet uncle mo at under 10-1....but somehow he gives the horse an almost 20% chance of winning...makes perfect sense in the derby trail world.....i just have trouble reading and digesting the hype. people are right this crap is useful....it builds confidence......lol. that horse probably has a 20% chance of missing the top 4....so hes right there too. i'm not always right but i am alot and i have the balls to give a non-standard opinion. people just hate that.....you think i don't know i'm a pain in the ass too.....lol. i try to make people think for themselves which is the key to success when you are gambling on anything!!!!!! you can be a "fan" all you want and you'll lose all the time too. i've been reading here since the big brown is the best dilemma of 2008....lol

I'm looking forward to your derby picks. I'm sure we won't see them until the day after the race.