The Wood

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Gin talking

Nothing against Repole putting money in the business and supporting racing is great. Do not quote me but I think he made comments about running horses more and showing off uncle mo, (correct me if I am wrong). Then he runs him twice before the derby, and you know damn well if Mo had swept the triple crown he would have been sent to the shed right away. As for Pletcher maybe he had no choice but to run him in the races he did, we all know Repole wanted the Wood all along, but could an extra race helped?

There are obviously theories and thoughts as to why everything panned-out like it did. It's odd though that a horse arrives at Palm Meadows in early December but does not start in a "race" until early March.

That said, he obviously worked hard yesterday and that should tighten him up. But I'm skeptical about his ability, at this point, to recapture his 2-year-old form.

[Thunder Gulch]

I'll just say that I'm really disappointed, though not shocked. He was handled this spring in a fashion that coming up short was almost to be expected, even for an enormously talented individual as he showed himself to be last year. I wanted to believe- really I did. I don't need better odds or a Derby "score", I wanted a superstar....I hope he's not hurt, and I hope he gets tight in the next 4 weeks, but this just sucks today.

[Gin talking]

As good of a trainer as Pletcher is, and his numbers say he is the best in the game. That being said, he gets the best horses year after year and his Derby record is poor. So maybe his method of getting horses to the derby is not the best? I do not know.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Envy (also called invidiousness) is best defined as an emotion that "occurs when a person lacks another's (perceived) superior quality, achievement, or possession and either desires it or wishes that the other lacked it."[1]

Envy can also derive from a sense of low self-esteem that results from an upward social comparison threatening a person's self image: another person has something that the envier considers to be important to have. If the other person is perceived to be similar to the envier, the aroused envy will be particularly intense, because it signals to the envier that it just as well could have been he or she who had the desired object.[2][3]

You've got to be kidding.

Is it April Fool's Day again.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You've got to be kidding.

Is it April Fool's Day again.

Just sayin my man. I'm not necessarily saying their yours, but if the shoe fits..........

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Just sayin my man. I'm not necessarily saying their yours, but if the shoe fits..........

Interesting. If you dislike someone who comes off as a pompous douche, you're envious of them. Anyone catch the comments he made in regards to Zito and the Florida Derby? Douchebag move.

And maybe I missed something, but the trainer is still Pletcher. Did he become beloved all of the sudden and I missed it? Wasn't there a thread just last week (after his horses ran like energizer bunnies at Gulfstream all weekend) about him?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Interesting. If you dislike someone who comes off as a pompous douche, you're envious of them. Anyone catch the comments he made in regards to Zito and the Florida Derby? Douchebag move.

And maybe I missed something, but the trainer is still Pletcher. Did he become beloved all of the sudden and I missed it? Wasn't there a thread just last week (after his horses ran like energizer bunnies at Gulfstream all weekend) about him?

He has a history of running his mouth and saying dumb things because he can't say no to the camera. He did the same thing last year before the Hopeful with his line about how he was confident that Stay Thirsty would be much better than Boys at Tosconova in 2011.

If it's bringing you some satisfaction that Uncle Mo lost yesterday you're probably not envious, a miserable person, or someone who hates Indian Charlie.

[fpsoxfan]

Once again, I posted that as a general comment in response to some people asking why this guy is not liked. It wasn't necessarily aimed at you.

I posted this after I researched and read up on the guy. I couldn't find anything negative about him. Therefore, the only thing I could come up with is envy. There are many out there that are pissed at their own lives, so they try to make themselves feel better by cutting others down.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Interesting. If you dislike someone who comes off as a pompous douche, you're envious of them. Anyone catch the comments he made in regards to Zito and the Florida Derby? Douchebag move.

And maybe I missed something, but the trainer is still Pletcher. Did he become beloved all of the sudden and I missed it? Wasn't there a thread just last week (after his horses ran like energizer bunnies at Gulfstream all weekend) about him?

Yes, I did catch those comments....and when I mentioned it here on this board i was called "stupid" by some of the "smart" people on this board. i'm just happy i wasn't one of the "smart" ones who wagered $466,788 to win on mo because the pick 3 that i played paid very nicely!

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He has a history of running his mouth and saying dumb things because he can't say no to the camera. He did the same thing last year before the Hopeful with his line about how he was confident that Stay Thirsty would be much better than Boys at Tosconova in 2011.

If it's bringing you some satisfaction that Uncle Mo lost yesterday you're probably not envious, a miserable person, or someone who hates Indian Charlie.

Oh so it's an image thing. I get it. Hmmmmm

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Interesting. If you dislike someone who comes off as a pompous douche, you're envious of them. Anyone catch the comments he made in regards to Zito and the Florida Derby? Douchebag move.

And maybe I missed something, but the trainer is still Pletcher. Did he become beloved all of the sudden and I missed it? Wasn't there a thread just last week (after his horses ran like energizer bunnies at Gulfstream all weekend) about him?

Now those comments makes him come off as a sore loser and envious

[Bigsmc]

I am envious of Richard Burch and his redboarding skills.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Once again, I posted that as a general comment in response to some people asking why this guy is not liked. It wasn't necessarily aimed at you.

I posted this after I researched and read up on the guy. I couldn't find anything negative about him. Therefore, the only thing I could come up with is envy. There are many out there that are pissed at their own lives, so they try to make themselves feel better by cutting others down.

It wasn't aimed at me, but you told me if the shoe fits. Whatever, own it if you're going to insult me.

I wanted him to win. I needed him for a bet (not paying much but better than ripping it up) and he seemed like a really good one, in an era with so few of them. I wasn't happy at all he lost.

But it doesn't make his human connections easy to root for and it has nothing to do with envy.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It wasn't aimed at me, but you told me if the shoe fits. Whatever, own it if you're going to insult me.

I wanted him to win. I needed him for a bet (not paying much but better than ripping it up) and he seemed like a really good one, in an era with so few of them. I wasn't happy at all he lost.

But it doesn't make his human connections easy to root for and it has nothing to do with envy.

I would never insult you Hoss!

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I hope this is just the 3:48 AM talking because this is ignorant. The guy gave out a $120. horse earlier in the day and if you boxed his horses in that race it was a $3000. tri. Yet you get on him for missing on a horse that looked far superior on paper. I'm sorry someone held a gun to your head and made you bet what he said. Many on here appreciate Andy, Doug, Nick T, and Steve for giving their insight and it has helped us become better handicappers. Don't be such an @hole, if you aren't willing to lose on some one else's opinion, don't use it.

I didn't bet the horse, it was a bad bet, even in a P4. Something I learned from Andy. I know he had a bomb earlier, I listen to his show everyday. Your digging for burning embers, when there is none. Pointing out something he teaches, so what. What does getting up early getting ready to work have anything to with anything? Some people just love to start up BS.

[HaloWishingwell]

Uncle Mo apparently will get some bloodwork. Hopefully he is not suffering from Lifeattenitis


http://www.drf.com/news/uncle-mo-hav...ky-derby-trail

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by MisterB

I didn't bet the horse, it was a bad bet, even in a P4. Something I learned from Andy. I know he had a bomb earlier, I listen to his show everyday. Your digging for burning embers, when there is none. Pointing out something he teaches, so what. What does getting up early getting ready to work have anything to with anything? Some people just love to start up BS.

I just want to know why you think it was a bad bet?
To me on paper, I thought the horse looked unbeatable. I thought the Motion horse was a little intriguing with the addition of blinkers, but I thought that there was going to be other horses looking for the lead as well. That's why I was kind of shocked when Uncle Mo found the lead so early. The race just never came together the way I envisioned it. Also, I never thought Toby's Corner was going to be the one coming late especially with the addition of the shades.

I didn't bet the race or the sequence, but I will admit Uncle Mo would have been a definite single on any ticket I would have put in. Then I could have spread in the other races where it looked like it was going to be needed. Like I said, I'm just curious why you feel like it was a bad bet.

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I am envious of Richard Burch and his redboarding skills.

What do you have against the guy having a pick 3 that paid very nicely?...................

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I just want to know why you think it was a bad bet?
To me on paper, I thought the horse looked unbeatable. I thought the Motion horse was a little intriguing with the addition of blinkers, but I thought that there was going to be other horses looking for the lead as well. That's why I was kind of shocked when Uncle Mo found the lead so early. The race just never came together the way I envisioned it. Also, I never thought Toby's Corner was going to be the one coming late especially with the addition of the shades.

I didn't bet the race or the sequence, but I will admit Uncle Mo would have been a definite single on any ticket I would have put in. Then I could have spread in the other races where it looked like it was going to be needed. Like I said, I'm just curious why you feel like it was a bad bet.

You are suppose to try and beat horses at these odds. Granted he looked unbeatable, so the second thing you look at is investment vs payoff. Anyone and everyone had Mo as a single on a P4 ticket if they played one. That alone draws down the pot. Given the fact that the Favs have been coming in at a 40%+ rate at the Big A all winter, how much do you think it would have payed vs your investment. To me, not enough to lay out 5x5x1x5.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by MisterB

You are suppose to try and beat horses at these odds. Granted he looked unbeatable, so the second thing you look at is investment vs payoff. Anyone and everyone had Mo as a single on a P4 ticket if they played one. That alone draws down the pot. Given the fact that the Favs have been coming in at a 40%+ rate at the Big A all winter, how much do you think it would have payed vs your investment. To me, not enough to lay out 5x5x1x5.

'Faves all winter on the Inner Track' have zero to do with the Wood Memorial and the all stakes P4 sequence Saturday. Yes you try and beat horses at short odds within races and in multi-race bets. Except you do so when they appear clearly questionable or vulnerable. But in the circumstance Saturday, you needed a large bankroll to be so clever as to attack the quad with the assumption Uncle Mo might lose.

I had suggested a 5x5x2x1 play for $50. The P4 to Uncle Mo was paying $200, so you were getting 4-1 in that case. Toby's Corner was the right 'other' horse, if you believed there was an 'other' horse, and the P4 paid $4,000 (80-1). The problem with trying to get clever Saturday was that the Comely and Bay Shore were tricky, and required slightly wide-cast nets. (4 possible winners in the Comely? As many as 5 plausable winners in the Bay Shore?) The Carter was, for me anyway, Apriority and Morning Line only, so that helped. But trying to get to Toby's Corner on back-up tickets was hard to accept as a prop given that you easily could have ended up with an Ava K (3-2), JJ's Lucky Train (2-1), Apriority (3-2), Uncle Mo (1-9) parlay that returned $37.50.

So in addition to spending $50 on the main ticket, which covers the vast majority of the most likely possible outcomes, your view is that public handicappers suggest to people that they spend an additional $50 to try and snare a much less likely outcome. And those handicappers are supposed to do that knowing that the likliest outcomes may not cover the cost of the tickets? And by the way, Arthur's Tale ended up every bit as 'good' in the race as the winner, so even if you backed up with Toby's Corner, you may have ended up losing had Arthur's Tale gotten to the wire. Or should it have been suggested that people spend another $50 covering Arthur's Tale?

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Kasept

'Faves all winter on the Inner Track' have zero to do with the Wood Memorial and the all stakes P4 sequence Saturday. Yes you try and beat horses at short odds within races and in multi-race bets. Except you do so when they appear clearly questionable or vulnerable. But in the circumstance Saturday, you needed a large bankroll to be so clever as to attack the quad with the assumption Uncle Mo might lose.

I had suggested a 5x5x2x1 play for $50. The P4 to Uncle Mo was paying $200, so you were getting 4-1 in that case. Toby's Corner was the right 'other' horse, if you believed there was an 'other' horse, and the P4 paid $4,000 (80-1). The problem with trying to get clever Saturday was that the Comely and Bay Shore were tricky, and required slightly wide-cast nets. (4 possible winners in the Comely? As many as 5 plausable winners in the Bay Shore?) The Carter was, for me anyway, Apriority and Morning Line only, so that helped. But trying to get to Toby's Corner on back-up tickets was hard to accept as a prop given that you easily could have ended up with an Ava K (3-2), JJ's Lucky Train (2-1), Apriority (3-2), Uncle Mo (1-9) parlay that returned $37.50.

So in addition to spending $50 on the main ticket, which covers the vast majority of the most likely possible outcomes, your view is that public handicappers suggest to people that they spend an additional $50 to try and snare a much less likely outcome. And those handicappers are supposed to do that knowing that the likliest outcomes may not cover the cost of the tickets? And by the way, Arthur's Tale ended up every bit as 'good' in the race as the winner, so even if you backed up with Toby's Corner, you may have ended up losing had Arthur's Tale gotten to the wire. Or should it have been suggested that people spend another $50 covering Arthur's Tale?

Thanks, but favs do come into the picture when figuring your ticket will be hit with a fav in your sequence, plus your single. I nor anyone else would have covered beyond Mo, at least I wouldn't have. I still say Mo was a bad bet as a single in the P4, even with a 50.00 ticket. 4-1 isn't a very good return on a P4.

Most public handicappers didn't say to spread at all here. And your P4 50.00 play was for a buck, so you where getting 2-1, not 4-1.