Where we stand on the issues

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you're supposed to know the difference

Timm, I went to the poll and checked who voted for what, I see you indicated you believe in Jesus but not god (you were among a number who voted that way)...having debated with you for a long time, I don't believe that's what you mean to say, correct me if I'm wrong.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Timm, I went to the poll and checked who voted for what, I see you indicated you believe in Jesus but not god (you were among a number who voted that way)...having debated with you for a long time, I don't believe that's what you mean to say, correct me if I'm wrong.

It was ambigous(sp). Christians believe in a Triune God. Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. I could have checked both boxes, but wanted to delineate from a faceless god and a Saviour.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It was ambigous(sp). Christians believe in a Triune God. Father,Son, and Holy Spirit. I could have checked both boxes, but wanted to delineate from a faceless god and a Saviour.

From Wikipedia:
"In the Authorized King James Version of the Bible, as well as several other versions, in Revelation 19:6 it is stated "...the Lord God omnipotent reigneth" (the original Greek word is παντοκράτωρ, "all-mighty" [6]). Although much of the narrative of the Old Testament describes the Judeo-Christian God as interacting with creation primarily through persuasion, and only occasionally through force. However, it could further be argued that the ability to conflict with truth is not an appropriate representation of accepted definitions of power, which negates the assertion that a deity does not have infinite powers.

Many other verses in the Christian Bible do assert omnipotence of its deity without actually using the word itself. There are several mentions of the Christian deity being referred to as simply "Almighty", showing that the Christian Bible supports the belief of an omnipotent deity. Some such verses are listed below:

Psalms 33:8-9: Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. For he spoke, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Genesis 17:1: And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. (The Hebrew word used here is "shadday" [7])

Jeremiah 32:27: Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

At his command a storm arose and covered the sea. (Psalm 107:25)

Several parts of the New Testament claim Jesus to be one with the Father, who is omnipotent, and others show Jesus to have some separation from the Father and even self-imposed limitations on his power. (Gospel of John)"

It has always been my understanding that the basis for Christianity (among other religions) is the existence of an omnipotent god, biblical scholars may debate whether Jesus is one with or separate from god but that doesn't effect the basic concept of one omnipotent god.

[Mike]

I think you're not seeing a ton of dissent on the poll, Mike, because you cite cultural issues, not foreign policy or economic issues, and I think a lot of the DTers are probably on the same page, or close to it, where cultural issues are concerned

I'll be much better practiced at polls next time, and try to put up poll questions that are more clear.

As I said early on, I accidentally posted the poll(?) before I even had the questions down, and hurried because I feared the wrath of the angry DT politics and society forum crowd from asking WTF?, at the seedling of a poll that was online for the first five minutes