3yo recap and updated Derby Chances

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

FYI, they dont run on dirt in Dubai.

That's why I said "surface" not "dirt"....he is in good form and ran well on that surface, his connections will know if he could possibly handle dirt and will decide his future accordingly. All I ever said was he impressed me more the other horses this past weekend, I really don't need the know it all sarcasm!

[slotdirt]

There's an awful long list of horses whose form has translated well from Tapeta to the Churchill Downs surface. Er...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The Tapeta at Presque Isle is some pretty f'in fun sh!t.

I've seen it playing insanely slow - I've seen it playing insanely fast - I've seen some hardcore dead rails for extended periods - I've seen some inside-speed biases that would put old Keeneland dirt to shame for extanded peroids.

For whatever reason though - closers have always performed miserably over it. In general, those are the worst kind of horses you could ever bring in here. Front end and pressing turf horses - can magically improve over PID's Tapeta version. Most dirt horses do a lot better than you might think - just as long as they have some speed.

I have no idea about Dubai's Tapeta. The climate between Erie and Dubai is probably a little bit different.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I have no idea about Dubai's Tapeta. The climate between Erie and Dubai is probably a little bit different.

How about the religious climate? Would you still be the only Jew there if you moved from Erie to Dubai?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

How about the religious climate? Would you still be the only Jew there if you moved from Erie to Dubai?

I just found out that our local 'mush' of the century - Meyer Lansky - is Jewish.

In fact - four of the people who frequently sit at my fathers table at PID are Jewish. I didn't even know we had Jews in Erie. That's the problem with them ... you can't spot them by looking at them... and they all don't have obvious Jewy names like Finklestein.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I just found out that our local 'mush' of the century - Meyer Lansky - is Jewish.

In fact - four of the people who frequently sit at my fathers table at PID are Jewish. I didn't even know we had Jews in Erie. That's the problem with them ... you can't spot them by looking at them... and they all don't have obvious Jewy names like Finklestein.

Doug is a pretty good giveaway name for Jewyness though. I have several cousins named Dougie, and not a one is Woppy in the least.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I just found out that our local 'mush' of the century - Meyer Lansky - is Jewish.

In fact - four of the people who frequently sit at my fathers table at PID are Jewish. I didn't even know we had Jews in Erie. That's the problem with them ... you can't spot them by looking at them... and they all don't have obvious Jewy names like Finklestein.

You just found out that Meyer Lansky is Jewish?????

I guess it wouldn't help to tell you that the Hyman Roth character from Godfather II is modeled after Meyer Lansky.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You just found out that Meyer Lansky is Jewish?????

I guess it wouldn't help to tell you that the Hyman Roth character from Godfather II is modeled after Meyer Lansky.

The name Hyman I'm sure will be making a comeback in the near future.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You just found out that Meyer Lansky is Jewish?????

I guess it wouldn't help to tell you that the Hyman Roth character from Godfather II is modeled after Meyer Lansky.

The guys name is actually Meyer Gold ... but everyone calls him Meyer Lansky. He's epic at stopping chalk.

Pretty sad - but I've never made it through a whole Godfather movie. I've seen parts of them.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

That's why I said "surface" not "dirt"....he is in good form and ran well on that surface, his connections will know if he could possibly handle dirt and will decide his future accordingly. All I ever said was he impressed me more the other horses this past weekend, I really don't need the know it all sarcasm!

thats hilarious coming from you.

Tapeta is nothing like dirt. If anything it shows off turf ability. It means Zero when applied to dirt form.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thats hilarious coming from you.

Tapeta is nothing like dirt. If anything it shows off turf ability. It means Zero when applied to dirt form.

Did I say it was similar to dirt? All I said was he handled the surface well. The horse has run 6 times, prior to the UAE Derby he had one win and a couple seconds, nothing earth shattering to be sure...trying him on the dirt is not so far-fetched and his connections might just roll the dice...or not!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Did I say it was similar to dirt? All I said was he handled the surface well. The horse has run 6 times, prior to the UAE Derby he had one win and a couple seconds, nothing earth shattering to be sure...trying him on the dirt is not so far-fetched and his connections might just roll the dice...or not!

this is what you said

"his breeding indicates turf preference but he handled the surface in Dubai so there is no reason he might not enjoy dirt."

its okay to admit you were wrong.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this is what you said

"his breeding indicates turf preference but he handled the surface in Dubai so there is no reason he might not enjoy dirt."

its okay to admit you were wrong.

Follow your own advice. Where did I say the Dubai surface was dirt? All I said, again, was that he has run on turf and the surface in Dubai, he won and placed on turf and ran a close second in Dubai so there is nothing that indicates that he might not run well on dirt...I can't say he will anymore than you can say he won't...all I said was that I find him more interesting than others this weekend should he run in the Derby!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Follow your own advice. Where did I say the Dubai surface was dirt? All I said, again, was that he has run on turf and the surface in Dubai, he won and placed on turf and ran a close second in Dubai so there is nothing that indicates that he might not run well on dirt...I can't say he will anymore than you can say he won't...all I said was that I find him more interesting than others this weekend should he run in the Derby!

From today's Bloodhorse:
Mrs. John Magnier’s Master of Hounds, who was beaten a nose in the March 26 UAE Derby (UAE-II) in his 3-year-old debut, could make his next start in the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), trainer Aidan O’Brien told the British website “And They’re Off.”

The other option would be the Qipco Two Thousand Guineas (Eng-I)

Master of Hounds, a son of Kingmambo – Silk and Scarlet, by Sadler's Wells, bred in Kentucky by Silk and Scarlet Syndicate, ran an exceptionally game race in the 1 3/16-mile UAE Derby, losing a head bob to the Godolphin-owned filly Khawlah, winner of the Al Tayer Motors UAE Oaks (UAE-III).

It was his first start since finishing sixth in the Breeders’ Cup Juvenile Turf (gr. II). Prior to that he was third in the group I Racing Post Trophy.

“Master Of Hounds is in the English 2000 Guineas (Eng-I) and would have a Kentucky Derby option," O'Brien said. “We will see how he is and the next couple of weeks will tell us a lot.

“The Kentucky Derby is a great race. He handled the surface well out in Dubai and he's a horse that has tactical speed and we were delighted with his run. I’m sure the race will be considered and will be spoken about.”





Read more: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz1I0dGrT54

[blackthroatedwind]

Every other horse in the race just became better value.