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Old 03-19-2011, 08:45 PM
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Only horse to ever run three straight BSFs over 124?
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:48 PM
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Since they've been published in '91 anyway.
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:57 PM
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The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:02 PM
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The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.
True. And when is the last time the Pa Derby produced a LOSING Beyer of 113.
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Old 03-19-2011, 10:19 PM
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True. And when is the last time the Pa Derby produced a LOSING Beyer of 113.
Yep - you had an incredibly deep division of 3yo and older males that year ... the likes of which we haven't seen since ....

and yet ....

this laughable slowpoke was named Horse of the Year that year...

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Old 03-19-2011, 11:09 PM
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Yeah, but wasn't Skip Away something like 4 of 11 that year?

It's hard to give HOY to a horse that didn't even win half of its starts.
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Old 03-19-2011, 11:31 PM
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Yeah, but wasn't Skip Away something like 4 of 11 that year?

It's hard to give HOY to a horse that didn't even win half of its starts.
Yes - he won 4-for-11.

He finished the year with 8 figures of 115-to-125 in a row.

He won the Breeders Cup Classic "handily" by 6 lengths with a 120 Beyer at Hollywood Park ... in spite of Mike Smith making a crazy pre-mature move on the 1st turn.

Why punish a horse for a win/loss record - when those defeats are supreme performances against outstanding competition?

Uncle Mo had a thousand times better case for Horse of the Year over Zenyatta - than Favorite Trick did over Skip Away.
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Old 03-19-2011, 11:31 PM
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Yeah, but wasn't Skip Away something like 4 of 11 that year?

It's hard to give HOY to a horse that didn't even win half of its starts.
I wonder if history would have been different had Gentlemen not shipped to run in the Woodbine Mile that year.

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Old 03-21-2011, 03:16 AM
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Yeah, but wasn't Skip Away something like 4 of 11 that year?

It's hard to give HOY to a horse that didn't even win half of its starts.
They gave it to Ferdinand in 1987 when it should have gone to Java Gold. Even Manila or Theatrical would have been a better choice than Ferdinand.
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Old 03-19-2011, 10:08 PM
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The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.
Cigar was a 3/5 favorite that year.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:00 AM
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The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.
Isolate his record at 10f.
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Old 03-21-2011, 09:12 AM
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Isolate his record at 10f.
I'll give you credit....you never tire of being boorish.

Many of us are still waiting for your response to your idiotic suggestion that horses with high debut Beyers ( you made your usual inane comment concerning Bind ) went on to do very little during their careers. Well, five of the 20 in the last 19 years to return won Grade 1 races ( seven races in total ). 13 of those 20 ran 1-2-3 in Grade 1 races and 13 of the 20 won Graded Stakes.

Why don't you respond when your idiocy is exposed instead of making one useless hit and run post after another?

I know, like you, that Formal Gold was 0 for 3 in 1 1/4 races. I also know he ran 106, 108 and 115 speed figures in losing three races he wasn't favored in, and was over 20:1 in one of them. But, you think you're clever with your snide little comment. Guess what? You aren't.
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:43 AM
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Every time I see a fast debut Beyer, I think "well, that's no Formal Gold." I guess I'll be thinking "wow, that's no Maclean's Music" from now on.
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:13 AM
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Every time I see a fast debut Beyer, I think "well, that's no Formal Gold." I guess I'll be thinking "wow, that's no Maclean's Music" from now on.
If this horse is campaigned even half as aggressively as Formal Gold was we'll be in for a treat.

Of course, they'll probably shoot themselves in the foot right off the bat by foregoing the most important step in Formal Gold's ascent to the big leagues...running through his allowance conditions first.

A few years ago, Earl Mack had another Formal Gold-wannabe named Grand Hombre, who won his first 4 races, all with triple digit Beyers. He, too, was run through his allowance conditions before tackling stakes horses.

The only mistake Mack (and trainer Dennis Manning) made with the horse was that they sold him to Godolphin after his Pennsylvania Derby romp. Of course, he never won again...and in fact, is still filling fields to this day in Dubai during the Carnival as an 11 year old.
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Old 03-21-2011, 01:41 PM
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I'll give you credit....you never tire of being boorish.

Many of us are still waiting for your response to your idiotic suggestion that horses with high debut Beyers ( you made your usual inane comment concerning Bind ) went on to do very little during their careers. Well, five of the 20 in the last 19 years to return won Grade 1 races ( seven races in total ). 13 of those 20 ran 1-2-3 in Grade 1 races and 13 of the 20 won Graded Stakes.

Why don't you respond when your idiocy is exposed instead of making one useless hit and run post after another?

I know, like you, that Formal Gold was 0 for 3 in 1 1/4 races. I also know he ran 106, 108 and 115 speed figures in losing three races he wasn't favored in, and was over 20:1 in one of them. But, you think you're clever with your snide little comment. Guess what? You aren't.
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:48 AM
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Isolate his record at 10f.
Do you think that there is a correlation between horses running fast in their debut and them developing into quality race horses?
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:50 AM
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Do you think that there is a correlation between horses running fast in their debut and them developing into quality race horses?
Thinking isn't on her resume.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:01 PM
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What was with all the jockey changes on Formal Gold?

I suppose some of it had to do with all the jock changes on Skip Away.
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