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The Indomitable DrugS 03-19-2011 07:48 PM

Maclean's Music (110 preliminary Beyer)
 
3yo First-time starter out of the worlds fastest horse - Forest Music - won his debut big at Santa Anita today and is an obvious superstar. A Baffert debuter by Werblin who was the clear-cut standout of OBS June last year was a clear and distant 2nd.

Forest Music was one of only two horses in history to ever to run a 20 and change quarter at the Fasig Tipton Calder sale. Tiz Wonderful (who broke his maiden by about 15 at Saratoga first-out) was the other.

Forest Music won her debut nicely with a 107 Beyer figure at LRL - and was rushed into the BC Juvenile fillies out west a few weeks later in start #2 and was eased. Ended up being a multiple Graded Stakes winning sprinter who would set strong paces and always stagger home.

Maclean's Music has no future as a distance horse ... but Distorted Humor to Forest Music ... you have to love that.

ninetoone 03-19-2011 08:00 PM

That was impressive. Stopped the clock at 1:07 & change, right? Looked easy too...

The Indomitable DrugS 03-19-2011 08:21 PM

Formal Gold's record for highest debut figure of all-time is probably still safe ... but there's a good chance Maclean's Music will recieve a debut figure of 110+

Race #1: Winner Via Verde ran a 90 last out - winning par for this class level is an 86. Via Verde winning time was 25 points slower than Maclean's Music

Race #2: Winner Lost Prophet ran a 77 last out - winning par for the class level is a 73. Lost Prophet's winning time was 39 points slower than Maclean's Music

Race #3: Turf

Race #4: Route

Race #5: Turf

Race #6: Havens Lake ran a 71 last out - winning par for the class level is a 72. Havens Lake's winning time was 41 points slower than Maclean's Music

Race #7: Turf

Race #8: Maclean's Music's race. Debuters 1-2-3 ... 4th place finisher beaten 11.5 lengths was a Mandella 2nd time starter who ran an 87 in his debut.

Race #9: Saint Isabelle ran a 90 two starts back - winning par for the class level is an 89. Saint Isabelle's winning time is 17 points slower than Maclean's Music.

Race #10: Winning par is 61. 2nd and 3rd place finishers - both beaten 2 lengths - ran a 60 and 61 last out respectively. The final time for this race was 55 points slower than Maclean's Music.

justindew 03-19-2011 08:25 PM

Thanks for proving my point in the other thread.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-19-2011 08:39 PM

For some reason - I thought Formal Gold ran a 114 instead of a 112 in his debut. He ran a 112.



Formal Gold's 15-year-old record is in danger. That figure for Maclean's Music could justifiably be as high as a 113.

Formal Gold was pretty darn good at the end of his career - slaughtering the great Skip Away in back-to-back races with insane figures. Once he got hurt - Skip Away was invincible for over a year. Obviously - don't expect Maclean's Music to stretch out like that.

justindew 03-19-2011 08:45 PM

Only horse to ever run three straight BSFs over 124?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-19-2011 08:48 PM

Since they've been published in '91 anyway.

VOL JACK 03-19-2011 08:57 PM

The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.

RolloTomasi 03-19-2011 09:01 PM

What was with all the jockey changes on Formal Gold?

I suppose some of it had to do with all the jock changes on Skip Away.

justindew 03-19-2011 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 761978)
The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.

True. And when is the last time the Pa Derby produced a LOSING Beyer of 113.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-19-2011 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 761978)
The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.

Cigar was a 3/5 favorite that year.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-19-2011 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew (Post 761985)
True. And when is the last time the Pa Derby produced a LOSING Beyer of 113.

Yep - you had an incredibly deep division of 3yo and older males that year ... the likes of which we haven't seen since ....

and yet ....

this laughable slowpoke was named Horse of the Year that year...


Indian Charlie 03-19-2011 11:09 PM

Yeah, but wasn't Skip Away something like 4 of 11 that year?

It's hard to give HOY to a horse that didn't even win half of its starts.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-19-2011 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 762005)
Yeah, but wasn't Skip Away something like 4 of 11 that year?

It's hard to give HOY to a horse that didn't even win half of its starts.

Yes - he won 4-for-11.

He finished the year with 8 figures of 115-to-125 in a row.

He won the Breeders Cup Classic "handily" by 6 lengths with a 120 Beyer at Hollywood Park ... in spite of Mike Smith making a crazy pre-mature move on the 1st turn.

Why punish a horse for a win/loss record - when those defeats are supreme performances against outstanding competition?

Uncle Mo had a thousand times better case for Horse of the Year over Zenyatta - than Favorite Trick did over Skip Away.

KirisClown 03-19-2011 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 762005)
Yeah, but wasn't Skip Away something like 4 of 11 that year?

It's hard to give HOY to a horse that didn't even win half of its starts.

I wonder if history would have been different had Gentlemen not shipped to run in the Woodbine Mile that year.


Indian Charlie 03-19-2011 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KirisClown (Post 762009)
I wonder if history would have been different had Gentlemen not shipped to run in the Woodbine Mile that year.


Clearly Gentlemen was the best horse that year. He should have won HOY.

Merlinsky 03-20-2011 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 762008)
Yes - he won 4-for-11.

He finished the year with 8 figures of 115-to-125 in a row.

He won the Breeders Cup Classic "handily" by 6 lengths with a 120 Beyer at Hollywood Park ... in spite of Mike Smith making a crazy pre-mature move on the 1st turn.

Why punish a horse for a win/loss record - when those defeats are supreme performances against outstanding competition?

Uncle Mo had a thousand times better case for Horse of the Year over Zenyatta - than Favorite Trick did over Skip Away.

Maybe they just like to give really big trophies these days to horses that manage to start 8 times in a year.

Looking at the last 2yo HOY prior to FT, Secretariat won HOY in a year featuring both Riva Ridge and Key to the Mint (KTTM got 3yo colt). Secretariat actually beat out 2yo filly La Prevoyante for the award (sort of, she still got some partial recognition there). What's your opinion of the viable HOY candidates in that year as compared to Secretariat? With not 1 but 2 2yos topping the ballots that year, it was a rather unusual situation. Looking at some of the other horses running that year, it's not like the 3yos were bums.

blackthroatedwind 03-20-2011 05:48 AM

Forest Music got a 105 in her debut....not a 107.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-20-2011 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 762025)
Forest Music got a 105 in her debut....not a 107.

Yep - I just went back and looked. Thanks.

That was off memory - as long winded and plentiful as my posts are - if I spelled names correctly and researched every last thing - I'd waste even more time than I already do.

In the words of every chick I've ever talked to on facebook "someday the Internet will burn in hell for its lies"

By the way - I looked at the 2003 BC Advanced edition PP's.

Here was Forest Music's entire worktab for her debut:

July 30th: 4f in 52 breezing - 9th best of 11 - at FAI
Aug 27th: 4f in 50 breezing from gate - 5th best of 10 - at FAI

MSW race on October 8th.

She had no works showing after that race. Considering that she was shipped cross country - to run in the Breeders Cup at Santa Anita on just 16 days rest ... I think it's entirely possible that she ran in a BC race with just 1 career start - and two career published works under her.

I'm guessing that had to be Mike Gill's call... Shuman can't be that foolish.

NoLuvForPletch 03-20-2011 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 761932)
3yo First-time starter out of the worlds fastest horse - Forest Music - won his debut big at Santa Anita today and is an obvious superstar. A Baffert debuter by Werblin who was the clear-cut standout of OBS June last year was a clear and distant 2nd.

Forest Music was one of only two horses in history to ever to run a 20 and change quarter at the Fasig Tipton Calder sale. Tiz Wonderful (who broke his maiden by about 15 at Saratoga first-out) was the other.

Forest Music won her debut nicely with a 107 Beyer figure at LRL - and was rushed into the BC Juvenile fillies out west a few weeks later in start #2 and was eased. Ended up being a multiple Graded Stakes winning sprinter who would set strong paces and always stagger home.

Maclean's Music has no future as a distance horse ... but Distorted Humor to Forest Music ... you have to love that.

Doug,

You were very busy last night. This thread and the Derby thread easily trumped reading the Sunday Bergen Record first thing this morning.

Thanks.


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