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[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

A nice college player....might stick around in the NBA with the right team, we've seen a lot of this type player in the last few years, coming of the bench to hopefully add a little offense would be his best case future it would seem. Might average 6-8 pts a game with right squad.

A lot of players his type??? Like who?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

A lot of players his type??? Like who?

Hansbrough, Blair, Redick as examples. Excellent college players but skill set somewhat limited for NBA. Hansbrough has been playing lights out recently with increased playing time, Blair has developed into a solid reserve and Redick adds scoring off the Orlando bench. Players who make up for lack of NBA skill set with hustle and desire.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Hansbrough, Blair, Redick as examples. Excellent college players but skill set somewhat limited for NBA. Hansbrough has been playing lights out recently with increased playing time, Blair has developed into a solid reserve and Redick adds scoring off the Orlando bench. Players who make up for lack of NBA skill set with hustle and desire.

Hold on there. Blair and Reddick don't have NBA skill sets? What?
Blair is an excellent low post scorer and rebounder. Reddick is has great range and is a solid defender. The idea that they are only in the NBA because of "hustle and desire" is complete bullshit.

TH is averaging 10 and 5 but isnt really good enough to play more than he does.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hold on there. Blair and Reddick don't have NBA skill sets? What?
Blair is an excellent low post scorer and rebounder. Reddick is has great range and is a solid defender. The idea that they are only in the NBA because of "hustle and desire" is complete bullshit.

TH is averaging 10 and 5 but isnt really good enough to play more than he does.

The knock on all three has been exactly that, not my determination, I love all three for their desire and hustle. When Reddick first came into the league, he was dismissed as a spot up shooter lacking in defense and ability to get his own shot. Through hard work he has greatly improved in both areas. Blair was seen as too small for underneath and every scout questioned his knees, SA, to their credit took a chance and have been nicely rewarded. TH is showing promise with increased playing time....the point is that often big time college players find their skill set does not translate into NBA stardom. Those who do make it do so with great work ethic and desire, hopefully this kid can do the same!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The knock on all three has been exactly that, not my determination, I love all three for their desire and hustle. When Reddick first came into the league, he was dismissed as a spot up shooter lacking in defense and ability to get his own shot. Through hard work he has greatly improved in both areas. Blair was seen as too small for underneath and every scout questioned his knees, SA, to their credit took a chance and have been nicely rewarded. TH is showing promise with increased playing time....the point is that often big time college players find their skill set does not translate into NBA stardom. Those who do make it do so with great work ethic and desire, hopefully this kid can do the same!

No one is calling Jimmer a potential NBA star are they?
The three players you listed all have a unique NBA skill that keeps them in the league. If you have 1 elite skill and are willing to work for less than top dollar you can play for along time. Reddick has great range and is athletic enough to defend 2's fairly well. Blair is a lot more athletic than he looks and is a very good rebounder and has a light touch. I don't really know that Hansborough has an elite skill other than a high motor. But all three of these guys are limited players who won't ever get more than 25 minutes a game on a good team. They arent simply in the NBA because they work hard. They have NBA skills. Jimmer can score. He cant do much else but he will play as long as he stays quick on his feet and can shoot. He will never be more than a role player because he just isnt good enough but his peak may be Vinny Johnson which means something.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is calling Jimmer a potential NBA star are they?
The three players you listed all have a unique NBA skill that keeps them in the league. If you have 1 elite skill and are willing to work for less than top dollar you can play for along time. Reddick has great range and is athletic enough to defend 2's fairly well. Blair is a lot more athletic than he looks and is a very good rebounder and has a light touch. I don't really know that Hansborough has an elite skill other than a high motor. But all three of these guys are limited players who won't ever get more than 25 minutes a game on a good team. They arent simply in the NBA because they work hard. They have NBA skills. Jimmer can score. He cant do much else but he will play as long as he stays quick on his feet and can shoot. He will never be more than a role player because he just isnt good enough but his peak may be Vinny Johnson which means something.

I The Microwave.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one is calling Jimmer a potential NBA star are they?
The three players you listed all have a unique NBA skill that keeps them in the league. If you have 1 elite skill and are willing to work for less than top dollar you can play for along time. Reddick has great range and is athletic enough to defend 2's fairly well. Blair is a lot more athletic than he looks and is a very good rebounder and has a light touch. I don't really know that Hansborough has an elite skill other than a high motor. But all three of these guys are limited players who won't ever get more than 25 minutes a game on a good team. They arent simply in the NBA because they work hard. They have NBA skills. Jimmer can score. He cant do much else but he will play as long as he stays quick on his feet and can shoot. He will never be more than a role player because he just isnt good enough but his peak may be Vinny Johnson which means something.

Those guys are NBA sized players for their respective positions. Tyler is 6-9. Reddick is 6-4 (short but not ridiculously short) and Blair is a wide body 6-8. Fredette is a 6-2 2 guard. He is not fast enough to cover an NBA 1 or big enough to cover a 2. He will be too slow to get in the lane against 1's and will be buillied by 2's.

I think he compares to a whole slew of guys over the years like hopson, respert, alford, hoiberg (great nickname), rodney monroe...the list goes on forever. Not the same position but how much of a bust was adam morrison? Again, two slow to beat 3's and too weak to play 4.

If you aren't "nba sized", you better be really athletic to be able to get a shot off in the big leagues. Jimmer is kind of like a tweener guard. I don't care if he can shoot to 40 feet, if he can't get the shot off and can't cover, he isn't going to play.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Those guys are NBA sized players for their respective positions. Tyler is 6-9. Reddick is 6-4 (short but not ridiculously short) and Blair is a wide body 6-8. Fredette is a 6-2 2 guard. He is not fast enough to cover an NBA 1 or big enough to cover a 2. He will be too slow to get in the lane against 1's and will be buillied by 2's.

I think he compares to a whole slew of guys over the years like hopson, respert, alford, hoiberg (great nickname), rodney monroe...the list goes on forever. Not the same position but how much of a bust was adam morrison? Again, two slow to beat 3's and too weak to play 4.

If you aren't "nba sized", you better be really athletic to be able to get a shot off in the big leagues. Jimmer is kind of like a tweener guard. I don't care if he can shoot to 40 feet, if he can't get the shot off and can't cover, he isn't going to play.

Blair is not 6'8", closer to 6"6"
No one is making the argument that JF is going to be a really good player but unlike those guys listed he can score and if Eddie House can play 10 years in the NBA, JF can make it too. Hell Steve Nash is an abysmal defensive player and he is a shoo in hall of famer.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Hansbrough, Blair, Redick as examples. Excellent college players but skill set somewhat limited for NBA. Hansbrough has been playing lights out recently with increased playing time, Blair has developed into a solid reserve and Redick adds scoring off the Orlando bench. Players who make up for lack of NBA skill set with hustle and desire.

Get a clue, PLEASE.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Get a clue, PLEASE.

Learn to post your opinion without putting others down, afterall it's only your opinion. Failure to do so makes you appear narrow-minded!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Learn to post your opinion without putting others down, afterall it's only your opinion. Failure to do so makes you appear narrow-minded!

Im not at all, you said similar then go off and name 2 forwards. The reasson I said get a clue is because the 2 bigs you mentioned are both productive NBA players. Personally I think the Jimmer is much better then Reddick.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not at all, you said similar then go off and name 2 forwards. The reasson I said get a clue is because the 2 bigs you mentioned are both productive NBA players. Personally I think the Jimmer is much better then Reddick.

They are similar in their perceived lack of NBA skill sets coming out of college. Position had nothing to do with the comparison. There is a place for blue collar types in the NBA, every team has them and they can contribute and have long careers.Time will tell if Jimmer is better than Reddick, he seems to have a more advanced ability to create his own shot but Reddick has certainly developed that. I'm not sure the Knicks would be the best place for him (as was suggested earlier as draft analysis). I've been following the NBA since the 50's, seen a lot of success stories and unfortunately a lot of busts. One of the best college players I ever saw was Archie Talley from Salem College, small college player of the year with unbelievable ball handling and shooting skills, drafted by the Knicks, tried to make the Globe Trotters and ended up playing in Europe...never made the NBA.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

They are similar in their perceived lack of NBA skill sets coming out of college. Position had nothing to do with the comparison. There is a place for blue collar types in the NBA, every team has them and they can contribute and have long careers.Time will tell if Jimmer is better than Reddick, he seems to have a more advanced ability to create his own shot but Reddick has certainly developed that. I'm not sure the Knicks would be the best place for him (as was suggested earlier as draft analysis). I've been following the NBA since the 50's, seen a lot of success stories and unfortunately a lot of busts. One of the best college players I ever saw was Archie Talley from Salem College, small college player of the year with unbelievable ball handling and shooting skills, drafted by the Knicks, tried to make the Globe Trotters and ended up playing in Europe...never made the NBA.

By the way TH had another outstanding game tonight, 11-18 from the field, 5-5 from the line, 27 points, 4 offensive boards, 7 defensive boards, and a steal against the Bulls.

[Cannon Shell]

Can we please not overstate the production of Hansborough or Blair.They are strictly role players. Reddick does not create many shots, or I should say does not create many shots that go in. He is still much better as a catch and shoot or spot up jump shooter. He has developed his overall game but most players improve.

Let's also get this straight PG1985, Jimmer Fredette is only going to be effective on a team where he is only asked to playing short spurts and for a coach that doesn't stress a half court or defensive game. He has glaring weaknesses in his game. He commits too many turnovers and has zero chance of guarding anyone but terrible shooters at the next level. BUT that doesn't mean he can't play a role for a particular team like Golden State or the Knicks.