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03-01-2011, 05:23 PM
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Or maybe Dell can explain how the fact that AFSCME filed the complaint is, "not having a clue?"
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03-01-2011, 05:39 PM
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You have not once posted a solution to the budget problems that our state faces and that many states will face in the future thanks to the outrageous spending and government entitlements. If you believe you have a better solution I would love to hear it and again saying that the teachers union is willing to accept cuts is not an acceptable solution since they can not negotiate that since each municipality will have to do that themselves. Please enlighten us...
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03-01-2011, 05:42 PM
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Also here is an example of the one school district (not the top paying by any means in WI)
Kaukana Area School District and the Comensation section of the union contract. Just a few Highlights for your review: 1) The full year contract for a teacher is 188 days. This includes 176 teaching days and 12 in-service days. Page 9 Master Contract. 2) The district uses WEA for it’s health insurance provider. Cost over $23,000/yr. 3) The district uses WEA for it's dental and pays 90% of the cost. 4) The district provides 2x salary for group life insurance through WEA paid 100% by employer. 5) The district provides long term disability through WEA paid 100% by employer. 6) The district provides long term care insuranc through WEA paid 100% by the employer. I just quoted my own LTC policy at age 36 at a cost of $4,100/yr. 7) Teachers are assigned 5 class periods/ day and if a teacher is assigned a six period they shall be paid one seventhe of their annual salary for this extra assignment . 8) Normal work week for teachers shall be 37.5 hours. Page 17 Master Contract. 9) Teacher normal work day is 7:30 to 3:45 with a required 30 minute lunch and 8 hours of prep time each week. Page 17 Master Contract. 10) Full year for pension credit is 1,350 hours. See WRS Website for pension credits. Example hourly rate for 1st year Kaukauna teacher: $37,100 (see pay grid) / 188 work days (based on contract) / 8 hour pay day from 7:30 to 5:00PM ( contract is 7:30 to 3:45) hourly rate for first year teacher is $24.66/hr. $30,000 benefits ($23,000 health/$4,081 Pension/Dental/LTC/Life)/ 188 work days/ 8 hour pay=$20.80/hr. Total 1st year pay package Kaukauna Teacher is $24.66 +$20.80=$41.63 Example hourly rate for a teacher with over 10 years experience: $79,559 (see pay grid) / 188 work days (based on contract) / 8 hour pay day from 7:30 to 5:00PM ( contract is 7:30 to 3:45) hourly rate is $52.89/hr. $35,000 benefits ($23,000 health/$8,751 Pension/Dental/LTC/Life)/ 188 work days/ 8 hour pay=$23.27/hr. Total pay package Kaukauna Teacher is $52.89+$23.27=$76.16/hr. If they worked a full year of 2040 hours this would amount to a total pay package of $155,366 at $76.16/hr.
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03-01-2011, 06:51 PM
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The math here is obviously faulty. The correct thing to do, to compare what teachers earn a year to what everyone else earns for a year, is to take what they earn and spread that over 12 months. Not 188 days. Because professionals are paid a yearly salary and benefits package, not an hourly wage. You also cannot include pension money in the yearly calcuation, because that is deferred pay.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 03-01-2011 at 07:04 PM.
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03-01-2011, 07:32 PM
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03-01-2011, 07:45 PM
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it's funny, when school is mentioned as going all year long, the teachers wan't a pay raise. but when you say they make too much money based on working half a year, they try to show that they work all year. still haven't figured out how that works.
and i wish my husbands insurance was set up like the schools here. sure would save me a ton of money. as for unions-i think all states should be right to work states, as it is here in arkansas. you aren't forced to join a union here; it's a choice- it should be a choice everywhere. i think that's where many have an issue with a union. you choose to join a profession, you're automatically in, dues collected, etc, etc, whether you like it or not. whether you agree with the union or not.
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03-01-2011, 07:53 PM
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I can get an accurate scientific study published using just 6 horses, if you treat the datum accurately and fairly in a statistical sense. And no, that is not "making numbers say what you want". (sorry, had to repost this under me)
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03-01-2011, 08:35 PM
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Do you happen to be a member of a veternary union? Have you ever been in a union? I have.
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03-01-2011, 06:16 PM
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Maybe you shouldn't make so many assumptions about other people? Quote:
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And you're actually making snarky comments about me because you think I have more free time than you to pay attention to politics (that's not allowed?), or that I love talking about politics? (not allowed either in your world?) Not very tolerant of other people being different than you, are you? And I'm the one being "unreasonable"? LOL
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 03-01-2011 at 06:26 PM.
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03-01-2011, 10:29 PM
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 No. It was not.
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03-01-2011, 11:57 PM
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03-02-2011, 07:31 AM
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A budget prototype:
TAXES — Does not include any state sales or income tax increases and would limit schools and local governments on how much they could raise property taxes. Walker also said he wouldn’t increase any fees. — Creates a 100 percent exclusion from capital gains taxes for those who invest in Wisconsin-based businesses and hold those investments for at least five years. MEDICAID — Cuts $500 million from Medicaid through a variety of reforms including increasing co-pays and deductibles, but not by reducing benefits across the board or cutting provider reimbursement rates. K-12 SCHOOLS — Cuts aid to schools by about $900 million and also reduces how much schools can collect from property taxes per student. — Eliminates the requirement that schools be open 180 days a year, but retains the classroom hours mandate. The change would allow schools that want to meet for fewer, longer days to do so. — Repeals the enrollment limit for the virtual charter school program and the Milwaukee school choice program. HIGHER EDUCATION — Allows the University of Wisconsin-Madison to split from the UW System and operate independently. The system would have to launch a study into allowing UW-Milwaukee to break off as well. — Cuts aid to UW-Madison by $125 million and to the other 25 campuses in the system by $125 million. — Ends the Wisconsin Covenant program, one of Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle’s signature programs, on Sept. 30. The program promises financial aid for college to middle school students who promise to stay out of trouble and earn decent grades. Students who sign up for the program before Sept. 30 could still participate. Walker argues this change would protect other forms of financial aid from cuts. — Children of illegal immigrants who attend state universities and colleges could no longer pay in-state tuition, a benefit granted in the 2009 budget by Democrats then in control of the Legislature and the governor’s office. — Cuts aid to technical colleges by 30 percent, or $72 million. — Authorizes all four-year UW campuses to sponsor independent charter schools and allow charter schools to be created anywhere in the state. TRANSPORTATION — Provides $225 million to rebuilding the Zoo Interchange in Milwaukee. — Provides $195 million to continue reconstruction of Interstate 94 between Milwaukee and Kenosha. LAW AND ORDER — Ends the ability of prison offenders to earn time off their sentences for good behavior, a change approved by Democrats. — Ends the state Department of Corrections’ ability to discharge an offender from parole after two years and from probation after serving half the sentence. — Closes the Ethan Allen School, a detention facility for boys, and move inmates to Lincoln Hills School in Lincoln County. — Closes the Southern Oaks Girls School, a detention facility for girls, and move the inmates to Copper Lake School at Lincoln Hills. — Provides six new full-time DNA analysts at the state crime labs to prevent case backlogs. — Adds 19 more staff members at the state Department of Justice to track down cyber predators. THE GREAT OUTDOORS — Keeps hunting and fishing license fees unchanged. — Scales back regulations to control phosphorus pollution to bring them in line with neighboring state’s rules. BTW the Lake I live near has been controlling phosphorus pollution by educating and having residents follow through by simply buying bio friendly laundry detergent and refraining from washing clothes on weekends during the summer. And yes it's prestine despite being the most recreationally used lake in WI. It's one of those ask not what your government can do for you feelings everytime your on or in the Lake  — Eliminates payments to local governments that lose property tax revenue following state Department of Natural Resources land stewardship purchases. Governments would be allowed to pass resolutions supporting or opposing purchases as a signal to the DNR, but the resolutions would not be binding. The Legislature’s budget committee would have to approve stewardship purchases of more than $250,000. — Ends requirements that a municipality or county run solid waste recycling programs and diverts state aid for such programs to other economic development efforts. GOVERNMENT — State spending under the $28.7 billion plan would decrease 1.3 percent the first year then go up 5.3 percent in the second. Over the entire two-year budget spending would go up a paltry 1.3 percent. — Cuts most state agency budgets, except for salary and benefits, by 10 percent. — Eliminate 735 state positions that have been vacant for more than a year. — Downsizes the state treasurer and secretary of state’s offices, moving many of their existing duties elsewhere. The EdVest college savings program would be removed from the treasurer’s office while the secretary of state office would lose its responsibility to handle trademark and trade name registrations and notary public commissions. — Cuts aid to cities by $60 million, an 8.8 percent reduction, while counties would lose over $36 million, a 24 percent cut. — Drops the state’s ongoing budget shortfall from $2.5 billion to $250 million in four years, the smallest so-called “structural deficit” on record. http://www.gazettextra.com/weblogs/l...rief-overview/
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03-02-2011, 04:22 PM
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You want to change the subject to the Wisconsin budget? Okay, where's yours? Post your Wisconsin budget solutions right here, Timmi
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03-01-2011, 09:59 PM
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03-01-2011, 10:52 PM
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Hold out and keep hoping for those 250,000 new jobs over the next four years your Governor promised you today. If Walker creates 250,000 new Wisconsin jobs I'll happily vote for him for President of the United States. But for right now, I'll go with the long past performance history of the economic policies he's inducing, and expect a state-wide deepening recession and massive local municipal job layoffs, myself.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 03-01-2011 at 11:08 PM.
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03-02-2011, 08:56 AM
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Again you just continue to bash the Republicans for everything they do, but still have not offered the "Riot Budget Plan Solution". In the real world you can't just complain about the other side. You need to offer a viable solution to the problem. Just bitching about the other side's proposal doesn't cut it. Ignoring the problem, not addressing the problem or just complaining about the other side's solution does nothing. Please give me at least 1 idea you have to solve the budget deficit issue in WI
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03-02-2011, 09:36 AM
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It should not be controversial to state that the government should not spend more than it takes in. Period.
Everyone has to get a grip. The debt is too high, and if you live above your means today, you will need to live below your means tomorrow. Math, not political alignment, is the sole important factor in this "debate". It's a math problem. Get the spending to a level less than the revenue coming in, and use the amount (revenue - spending) to pay down the debt. That is the ONLY course of action. There is no such thing as an entitlement. You're not entitled to anything. If you owned stock in a company having negative value, you own part of the debt, and will reap no profit. This absurd situation has been going on for 80 years, since the 1930's and the ridiculous notion of Social Security. It is well past time for all this lunacy to end, before the dollar itself dies. Then your shares in the U.S. will truly be worthless.
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03-02-2011, 04:05 PM
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 And Scott Walker, in his first two months in office, has already proven himself a liar, and seems about as incompetent a Gov. as we've ever seen. Yes, there is plenty to bitch about regarding his attack on collective bargaining.This thread isn't about the Wisconsin budget, it's about Scott Walkers union busting. Walker isn't doing very well. Already a restraining order for violating state law regarding access to the capital. Already lawsuit regarding collective bargaining violations from the union. Two serious recall efforts in the works. Today the Democratic Committee of Wisconsin announced that they are initiating recall of the Governor and every Republican that voted for this bill. That goes with the other recall being initiated separately by the state union orgs. But what would I have done? Well, as opposed to Walker, I can add. So the first thing is I would have done would be not to take the $132 million surplus in this budget year, and give away $140 million in unfunded tax breaks to corporations, immediately increasing my deficit within my first month in office. Walker did that - I wouldn't spend money I didn't have. Wisconsin has no great sudden budget emergency. That's a lie. The past governor dealt with a 5-plus billion deficit and left Walker a small surplus. The current deficit is 3.6 billion over 4 years. I would address the appalling fact that since 1981, corporate income tax gifts have been so great, 2/3 of Wisconsin companies now don't pay any tax at all. Zero. How's that "economic development plan" of cutting corporate taxes working for the state? If cutting corporate taxes works to attract, create and grow business, why have there not been 20 years of jobs and companies flocking to Wisconsin? Why has the opposite occured? The state should be flush with successful capitalists. Where are they? Why are there no jobs, no industry, no money, under Reagonomics as applied to the state? There is a 3.6 billion deficit, and a billion a year can be made up very nicely by having every company who currently does NOT pay tax, pay a small share. Walker's budget is a complete disaster that is going to ruin Wisconsin. It tears schooling and education apart: AP programs gone. Science, math, arts gone. Teachers gone. But it not only orders individual towns to spend less on each student whether they want to or not, it additionally is prevents towns from raising local taxes, even if they want to, to make their schools better. Yes, it PREVENTS towns from increasing education spending in their own town, which is a big state government takeover of home rule. So there will probably be yet another lawsuit there. It gives even more tax breaks to corporations. It's shockingly unbelievable. Your turn Wiphan: post your budget plan right here.
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