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Old 02-26-2011, 09:29 AM
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I thought it was a good and necessary trade for Utah. Their result, however, has nothing to do with the Knicks and their lack of defense and their selfishness on offense. Amare left Phoenix because he wanted to be "The Man" and NY is a huge stage for that. Carmelo was already in that role in Denver and is not going to relinquish it to Stoudamire. Unlike James and Wade, these are two selfish players. James and Wade struggled early as each was trying to be too accomodating. Melo and Stoudamire played like they were having an internal contest to see who could shoot most. Also, it might have been only one game and only the second together but their defensive attitudes aren't going to change with more games. What I was looking for was a sign that once they get some cohesion, it might get better. What I saw was "this is what you are gonna get, we'll give you 60 and try to outscore everyone."
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:47 AM
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You shouldn't come to conclusions after 1 or 2 games but giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling. Having to actually play Balkman, having Shawne Williams and Bill Walker combine for 35 minutes, Ronny Turiaf 26 minutes is going to be bad most nights. Those guys were 6-25 last night in 92 minutes of playing time.
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Old 02-26-2011, 12:55 PM
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"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"



AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:08 PM
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They need to add a player or two...will watch and see how things work out. Way too early to evaluate this trade.
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:11 PM
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This trade, you could devaluate the day it was announced.
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Old 02-26-2011, 02:05 PM
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They need to add a player or two...will watch and see how things work out. Way too early to evaluate this trade.
They need more than that. They only have 5 players that are NBA worthy to play real minutes and with the system that they run you will need depth. They will need to replace Billups after next season and they desperately need frontcourt help which is hard to find. This years draft is terrible and it is a real stretch to think they can get a impact player there. OKC just gave up a 16 pts a game guy, a starting center and decent number 1 pick to get a solid defensive center who cant shoot with a bum knee that is a FA after the season. Jermain O'Neal is actually collecting a paycheck. Shaq is still getting 2 year contracts. That should tell you all you need to know about how easy it is to find quality big men. Add in the Knicks have nothing of value to trade and you just wonder where these other players are going to come from. Azubuike ?
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Old 02-26-2011, 02:21 PM
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They need more than that. They only have 5 players that are NBA worthy to play real minutes and with the system that they run you will need depth. They will need to replace Billups after next season and they desperately need frontcourt help which is hard to find. This years draft is terrible and it is a real stretch to think they can get a impact player there. OKC just gave up a 16 pts a game guy, a starting center and decent number 1 pick to get a solid defensive center who cant shoot with a bum knee that is a FA after the season. Jermain O'Neal is actually collecting a paycheck. Shaq is still getting 2 year contracts. That should tell you all you need to know about how easy it is to find quality big men. Add in the Knicks have nothing of value to trade and you just wonder where these other players are going to come from. Azubuike ?
Agree with every point but look at how the league has changed just this year. I hesitate to say a team can't make major changes, the NBA is better off when major market teams are strong...shifting sands!
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"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"



AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.
If the Cavs go for 115 on you, you have lost
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If the Cavs go for 115 on you, you have lost
February 23d....scored 119 vs. Houston, and lost.



Wrong again.
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Old 02-26-2011, 04:27 PM
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February 23d....scored 119 vs. Houston, and lost.



Wrong again.



The Cavs don't win games, other teams lose them.
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The Cavs don't win games, other teams lose them.


^^^^
His band aid attempt on a mortal wound.




Perhaps he should stick to dressage.
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