Knicks Get Melo: Did they give up too much?

knickslions2 · #1 02-22-2011, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

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How much is too much for a player of Anthony's calibre? I say they overpaid considering the leverage they had but still ended up making the right move. You give whatever you have to give to land a player like Anthony.

Denver did really well for themselves considering the position that they were in.

They had to get Melo at any costs. Getting a chance at a player of his ability in his prime is rare. They can bulid around him and Amare. They would have been no better then 500 team with those other guys. I think its a great deal for both sides.

Dahoss · #2 02-22-2011, 08:13 AM

To answer the original question, yes they gave up too much. After this season if they are able to sign another player it might turn out to be an okay trade for them. But right now, IMO, not a good trade for them. Rony Turiaf is slated to start for them and they gave up all of their young talent.

#3 02-22-2011, 08:50 AM

The good news is all of the doucher NY fair weather celebs will be on hand to watch a first round exit.

blackthroatedwind · #4 02-22-2011, 10:48 AM

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The good news is all of the doucher NY fair weather celebs will be on hand to watch a first round exit.

At least Spike Lee, Woody Allen, and Matt Modine have beeen going for years while they sucked.

This trade is so hilariously bad that it almost feels like an April Fool's joke. Isiah Thomas's slimy fingeprints are all over it. His goal of continually destroying the Knicks continues. He never did get over Bernard singlehandedly beating him in that five game series in 1984.....but he sure has gotten his revenge.

MISTERGEE · #5 02-22-2011, 10:58 AM

Isaiah is very busy coaching FIU Basketball

jms62 · #6 02-22-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

At least Spike Lee, Woody Allen, and Matt Modine have beeen going for years while they sucked.

This trade is so hilariously bad that it almost feels like an April Fool's joke. Isiah Thomas's slimy fingeprints are all over it. His goal of continually destroying the Knicks continues. He never did get over Bernard singlehandedly beating him in that five game series in 1984.....but he sure has gotten his revenge.

Isiah Thomas < The gift that keeps on giving.

randallscott35 · #7 02-22-2011, 11:13 AM

The Knicks may be the worst run franchise in sports.

Cannon Shell · #8 02-22-2011, 11:39 AM

I dont agree that you get Carmelo at all costs. He is a great scorer and will thrive in D'antoni's system but with no draft picks, no depth, perhaps a smaller salary cap and two max contract guys to deal with giving up that much to a team with close to zero leverage is criminal.

Felton, Chandler, Randolph and fat boy Curry's contract should have been plenty. If you call his bluff and he winds up elsewhere? So be it. Yeah there will be plenty of excitement in the Garden when Anthony averages 35 a game an the Knicks get torched in the Playoffs

RockHardTen1985 · #9 02-22-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

To answer the original question, yes they gave up too much. After this season if they are able to sign another player it might turn out to be an okay trade for them. But right now, IMO, not a good trade for them. Rony Turiaf is slated to start for them and they gave up all of their young talent.

This is comical. Everyone, every Knick fan I know and its at least 30 loves the move. People are realistic and know its not a this year move. Its the next 5-9 years after this move. The other guys are just players. Melo is a star.

somerfrost · #10 02-22-2011, 11:40 AM

Good long term move for Knicks, they are in position to challenge next year if they can add a piece or two, Denver got the best deal they could but are no longer a force in the west as they will seek to rebuild.

Cannon Shell · #11 02-22-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Good long term move for Knicks, they are in position to challenge next year if they can add a piece or two, Denver got the best deal they could but are no longer a force in the west as they will seek to rebuild.

Denver got a great haul. Compare what Denver got to what Cleveland got for LeBron.

Cannon Shell · #12 02-22-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This is comical. Everyone, every Knick fan I know and its at least 30 loves the move. People are realistic and know its not a this year move. Its the next 5-9 years after this move. The other guys are just players. Melo is a star.

Thanks for sealing the deal, Isiah1985

clyde · #13 02-25-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2

They had to get Melo at any costs. Getting a chance at a player of his ability in his prime is rare. They can bulid around him and Amare. They would have been no better then 500 team with those other guys. I think its a great deal for both sides.

That was a nice call on the Marshmellow trade,Nick.

No it wasn't!!!!

King Glorious · #14 02-25-2011, 10:00 PM

The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.

clyde · #15 02-25-2011, 10:28 PM

!!

And a foul out to boot.

He's not known as Marshmellow for nothing...don't ya know.

dalakhani · #16 02-26-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.

Utah won last night. Does that mean that trade might end up BETTER than you thought?

Surely you aren't using last night's game as any type of barometer as to whether or not that was a good trade.

King Glorious · #17 02-26-2011, 09:29 AM

I thought it was a good and necessary trade for Utah. Their result, however, has nothing to do with the Knicks and their lack of defense and their selfishness on offense. Amare left Phoenix because he wanted to be "The Man" and NY is a huge stage for that. Carmelo was already in that role in Denver and is not going to relinquish it to Stoudamire. Unlike James and Wade, these are two selfish players. James and Wade struggled early as each was trying to be too accomodating. Melo and Stoudamire played like they were having an internal contest to see who could shoot most. Also, it might have been only one game and only the second together but their defensive attitudes aren't going to change with more games. What I was looking for was a sign that once they get some cohesion, it might get better. What I saw was "this is what you are gonna get, we'll give you 60 and try to outscore everyone."

Cannon Shell · #18 02-26-2011, 09:47 AM

You shouldn't come to conclusions after 1 or 2 games but giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling. Having to actually play Balkman, having Shawne Williams and Bill Walker combine for 35 minutes, Ronny Turiaf 26 minutes is going to be bad most nights. Those guys were 6-25 last night in 92 minutes of playing time.

clyde · #19 02-26-2011, 12:55 PM

"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"

AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.

King Glorious · #20 03-15-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Utah won last night. Does that mean that trade might end up BETTER than you thought?

Surely you aren't using last night's game as any type of barometer as to whether or not that was a good trade.

I have 12 games and four losses to the Pacers and Cavs (plus years of watching Amare "The Matador" Stoudamire and Carmelo "Ole" Anthony get torched. You don't give up 115 and 119 to Cleveland and 119 to Indiana if you want to call yourself a real contender. They look worse to me now than before the trade.