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Old 02-26-2011, 08:48 AM
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The Washington Generals play better defense than these guys do. There's no point in Anthony and Stoudamire scoring 60 if they are going to give up 55 to the guys they are guarding. They were pounded on the boards. This may end up worse than I thought.
Utah won last night. Does that mean that trade might end up BETTER than you thought?

Surely you aren't using last night's game as any type of barometer as to whether or not that was a good trade.
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:29 AM
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I thought it was a good and necessary trade for Utah. Their result, however, has nothing to do with the Knicks and their lack of defense and their selfishness on offense. Amare left Phoenix because he wanted to be "The Man" and NY is a huge stage for that. Carmelo was already in that role in Denver and is not going to relinquish it to Stoudamire. Unlike James and Wade, these are two selfish players. James and Wade struggled early as each was trying to be too accomodating. Melo and Stoudamire played like they were having an internal contest to see who could shoot most. Also, it might have been only one game and only the second together but their defensive attitudes aren't going to change with more games. What I was looking for was a sign that once they get some cohesion, it might get better. What I saw was "this is what you are gonna get, we'll give you 60 and try to outscore everyone."
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:47 AM
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You shouldn't come to conclusions after 1 or 2 games but giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling. Having to actually play Balkman, having Shawne Williams and Bill Walker combine for 35 minutes, Ronny Turiaf 26 minutes is going to be bad most nights. Those guys were 6-25 last night in 92 minutes of playing time.
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"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"



AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.
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They need to add a player or two...will watch and see how things work out. Way too early to evaluate this trade.
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This trade, you could devaluate the day it was announced.
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They need to add a player or two...will watch and see how things work out. Way too early to evaluate this trade.
They need more than that. They only have 5 players that are NBA worthy to play real minutes and with the system that they run you will need depth. They will need to replace Billups after next season and they desperately need frontcourt help which is hard to find. This years draft is terrible and it is a real stretch to think they can get a impact player there. OKC just gave up a 16 pts a game guy, a starting center and decent number 1 pick to get a solid defensive center who cant shoot with a bum knee that is a FA after the season. Jermain O'Neal is actually collecting a paycheck. Shaq is still getting 2 year contracts. That should tell you all you need to know about how easy it is to find quality big men. Add in the Knicks have nothing of value to trade and you just wonder where these other players are going to come from. Azubuike ?
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They need more than that. They only have 5 players that are NBA worthy to play real minutes and with the system that they run you will need depth. They will need to replace Billups after next season and they desperately need frontcourt help which is hard to find. This years draft is terrible and it is a real stretch to think they can get a impact player there. OKC just gave up a 16 pts a game guy, a starting center and decent number 1 pick to get a solid defensive center who cant shoot with a bum knee that is a FA after the season. Jermain O'Neal is actually collecting a paycheck. Shaq is still getting 2 year contracts. That should tell you all you need to know about how easy it is to find quality big men. Add in the Knicks have nothing of value to trade and you just wonder where these other players are going to come from. Azubuike ?
Agree with every point but look at how the league has changed just this year. I hesitate to say a team can't make major changes, the NBA is better off when major market teams are strong...shifting sands!
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"giving up 115 to Cleveland under any circumstances is troubling"



AND...they lost.

You left out that little fun part.
If the Cavs go for 115 on you, you have lost
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If the Cavs go for 115 on you, you have lost
February 23d....scored 119 vs. Houston, and lost.



Wrong again.
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February 23d....scored 119 vs. Houston, and lost.



Wrong again.



The Cavs don't win games, other teams lose them.
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Utah won last night. Does that mean that trade might end up BETTER than you thought?

Surely you aren't using last night's game as any type of barometer as to whether or not that was a good trade.
I have 12 games and four losses to the Pacers and Cavs (plus years of watching Amare "The Matador" Stoudamire and Carmelo "Ole" Anthony get torched. You don't give up 115 and 119 to Cleveland and 119 to Indiana if you want to call yourself a real contender. They look worse to me now than before the trade.
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It is getting worse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=310320015
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It's reached the incredibly embarrassing stage.
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It's reached the incredibly embarrassing stage.
I don't like the guy so I really couldn't care less, but you would think that Dantoni's seat should be getting hotter by the day now.

It would be absolutely horrific for MSG who intends on raising prices for the Knicks and Rangers next year if the Knicks should have a Mets like collapse and crap out of the playoffs here. Since they have dropped out of relavance again and I hate Dolan so much, I'm actually kind of rooting for them to miss it so he ends up with egg on his face again.
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I think it would be really unfair to blame the coach in this case. Remember, he and the gm really didn't want to make the trade. The trade took away a number of his better defenders also. The thing is you can't go into a lion's den and blame the lion for eating you. They knew what they were getting when they hired D'Antoni. He places no emphasis on defense. Bringing in Stoudamire didn't help. Bringing in Anthony made it worse. Teams take on the personalities of their leaders, be it a coach or star players. When none of the leaders believes in defense, you are in trouble. Add to that the fact that Anthony is not the type of player that helps an offense flow and you're looking at a very odd match. I also go back to what I said earlier, about Stoudamire being unhappy playing second star to Nash, and I doubt he's going to be happy with that role here.

The question NY fans and management have to ask is who can they get that will do better? Is there a strong enough coach out there that can get the two stars to play defense, something they've never done? I'm not sure there is. I think that as long as you have those two, the only way you win is by outscoring people and D'Antoni is a top offensive coach. Instead of replacing the coach, get him a couple of guys that can play some defense. I couldn't understand them buying out Brewer.
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