Knicks Get Melo: Did they give up too much?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

At least Spike Lee, Woody Allen, and Matt Modine have beeen going for years while they sucked.

This trade is so hilariously bad that it almost feels like an April Fool's joke. Isiah Thomas's slimy fingeprints are all over it. His goal of continually destroying the Knicks continues. He never did get over Bernard singlehandedly beating him in that five game series in 1984.....but he sure has gotten his revenge.

Isiah Thomas < The gift that keeps on giving.

[randallscott35]

The Knicks may be the worst run franchise in sports.

[Cannon Shell]

I dont agree that you get Carmelo at all costs. He is a great scorer and will thrive in D'antoni's system but with no draft picks, no depth, perhaps a smaller salary cap and two max contract guys to deal with giving up that much to a team with close to zero leverage is criminal.

Felton, Chandler, Randolph and fat boy Curry's contract should have been plenty. If you call his bluff and he winds up elsewhere? So be it. Yeah there will be plenty of excitement in the Garden when Anthony averages 35 a game an the Knicks get torched in the Playoffs

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont agree that you get Carmelo at all costs. He is a great scorer and will thrive in D'antoni's system but with no draft picks, no depth, perhaps a smaller salary cap and two max contract guys to deal with giving up that much to a team with close to zero leverage is criminal.

Felton, Chandler, Randolph and fat boy Curry's contract should have been plenty. If you call his bluff and he winds up elsewhere? So be it. Yeah there will be plenty of excitement in the Garden when Anthony averages 35 a game an the Knicks get torched in the Playoffs

I think the problem is that he would have ended up with the crosstown (or soon to be) Nets. That would have been a disasterous step back for an organization trying to move forward after a beyond horrible past decade. It's a move that will most likely help this team move forward, generate more excitment around the team and appease a fan base that has started to come back.

As far as if they gave up too much, they probably did. But I think it was necessary because if push came to shove, I really believe that he would have accepted the trade to the Nets so he could get the new extention before the possible new CBA. I think I heard the number being somewhere close to 60 million if he didn't sign it this season. I can't imagine him leaving that much money on the table when he had the opportunity to play for a team in the same area.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think the problem is that he would have ended up with the crosstown (or soon to be) Nets. That would have been a disasterous step back for an organization trying to move forward after a beyond horrible past decade. It's a move that will most likely help this team move forward, generate more excitment around the team and appease a fan base that has started to come back.

As far as if they gave up too much, they probably did. But I think it was necessary because if push came to shove, I really believe that he would have accepted the trade to the Nets so he could get the new extention before the possible new CBA. I think I heard the number being somewhere close to 60 million if he didn't sign it this season. I can't imagine him leaving that much money on the table when he had the opportunity to play for a team in the same area.

There was no shot of him signing with the Nets. This isnt baseball where a team like the Yankees can just blow everyone out of the water. The deal he would have signed as a FA is going to be the same regardless of where he went. HE wanted to be traded because he makes more money resigning as a member of a team than as a unrestricted FA. DENVER wanted to trade him because they did not want to wind up like Cleveland. But seriously do you think the Nets would have made a deal for him if they had no guarantee that he would resign with them? The Russian simply played his hand as well as possible by bluffing the crosstown rivals into giving up too much.

I am a Knick fan. I will root for him. But the fact is that he was coming to NY regardless and he could have come to a team that is a lot better than the team he will play on.

[Cannon Shell]

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[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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Quoting a liberal to make your point? You are convinced.

I'm not a Knick fan, but if I were, I'd be ambivalent on the deal. Carmelo is a tremendous talent and he/Amare will be the second-best one-two punch in the NBA. But there really isn't much beyond that on the team now. Billups is on the way down, Fields is a roleplayer and Shawne Williams and Turiaf are one-trick ponies. I can't even name any other players on the team.

In order for this trade to be a long-term positive rather than another Isiah-esque shortsighted headline grab, the Knicks will have to continue to be ultra-aggressive in free agency. People may think this means grabbing Chris Paul or Deron Williams, which may indeed happen, but they also need to amass some reliable MLE-type guys this offseason to make it more than a two-man team.

In the end, I think as long as D'Antoni is the coach, this team isn't winning a championship. He's an offensive genius, but his laissez-faire attitude towards defense just isn't conducive to the type of basketball that gets to and wins NBA Finals. I can't recall a team winning a championship in the NBA by playing 120-115 shootouts every game.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There was no shot of him signing with the Nets. This isnt baseball where a team like the Yankees can just blow everyone out of the water. The deal he would have signed as a FA is going to be the same regardless of where he went. HE wanted to be traded because he makes more money resigning as a member of a team than as a unrestricted FA. DENVER wanted to trade him because they did not want to wind up like Cleveland. But seriously do you think the Nets would have made a deal for him if they had no guarantee that he would resign with them? The Russian simply played his hand as well as possible by bluffing the crosstown rivals into giving up too much.

I am a Knick fan. I will root for him. But the fact is that he was coming to NY regardless and he could have come to a team that is a lot better than the team he will play on.

Chuck what I was trying to say, was that he would have ok'ed the trade to the Nets and then re-upped with them to get the max. That is if the Knicks decided not to trade for him and just waited for him to hit the FA market, hence him leaving alot of money on the table.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Chuck what I was trying to say, was that he would have ok'ed the trade to the Nets and then re-upped with them to get the max. That is if the Knicks decided not to trade for him and just waited for him to hit the FA market, hence him leaving alot of money on the table.

I dont think he would have agreed to an extension with NJ. The money difference isnt that much. The knicks absolutely botched this beyond belief. They should have back-channeled to him that we will not give up all our complimentary pieces to trade for you. Ride it out, sign with us and we have a shot to win a championship next year. Winning in NY will make you way more money than the difference between re-upping. Not to mention they could do a sign and trade with Denver AFTER the season like Cleveland and LeBron and Toronto and Bosh did.

The funny thing is LeBron gets blasted but the reality is he manipulated the system to make his team better and took less money. Anthony played the system simply to make more money and weakened his team in the process.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There was no shot of him signing with the Nets. This isnt baseball where a team like the Yankees can just blow everyone out of the water. The deal he would have signed as a FA is going to be the same regardless of where he went. HE wanted to be traded because he makes more money resigning as a member of a team than as a unrestricted FA. DENVER wanted to trade him because they did not want to wind up like Cleveland. But seriously do you think the Nets would have made a deal for him if they had no guarantee that he would resign with them? The Russian simply played his hand as well as possible by bluffing the crosstown rivals into giving up too much.

I am a Knick fan. I will root for him. But the fact is that he was coming to NY regardless and he could have come to a team that is a lot better than the team he will play on.

Exactly. The Nets owner played the Knicks like a fiddle. I don't like the trade for the Knicks at all. As you said, he would have come in the summer anyway and they would have kept all of the players. There was no need for them to give up all that they did. Last I checked, Anthony still doesn't play defense. Pairing him with another matador defender like Stoudamire is asking for trouble. Anthony is strictly box office in NY. He'll provide some offense but offense wasn't their problem since they are second on the league in scoring anyway. I also don't think that Billups is that good of a fit in that style of play. They gave up a ton and didn't get enough back and what is it going to do for them this year? Nothing. They still aren't better than Boston, Miami, Chicago, or Orlando. This MAY put them past Atlanta. So they perhaps are in a position to win a playoff series. I think they would have been better off without getting Anthony and trying to lure Dwight Howard next year when he would have been in the final year of his own contract.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont agree that you get Carmelo at all costs. He is a great scorer and will thrive in D'antoni's system but with no draft picks, no depth, perhaps a smaller salary cap and two max contract guys to deal with giving up that much to a team with close to zero leverage is criminal.

Felton, Chandler, Randolph and fat boy Curry's contract should have been plenty. If you call his bluff and he winds up elsewhere? So be it. Yeah there will be plenty of excitement in the Garden when Anthony averages 35 a game an the Knicks get torched in the Playoffs

I can assure they will love it, the fans here have been waiting on Melo to perform post-season and carry the Nugs through for a long time. No dice here, and the current NY team is far worse than this years Nuggets team was and it will look that way. Good riddance.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I can assure they will love it, the fans here have been waiting on Melo to perform post-season and carry the Nugs through for a long time. No dice here, and the current NY team is far worse than this years Nuggets team was and it will look that way. Good riddance.

Yeah that.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Yeah that.

I am curious to know which particular year it was where the Nuggets had the best team and Carmello didn't deliver. Were they supposed to make it past the lakers these last couple of years???? The team made it to the Western conference final and that is as far as their ability should have taken them.

What exactly were the Knicks supposed to do here in the first round? At full strength, it looked like it was going to be a pretty competitive series. Was Carmello supposed to will them past Boston?

I understand some of the criticism and indeed some of it is justified but I don't see where he let the Nuggets down or choked away potential titles.

[Cannon Shell]

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