AP Source: Obama to seek changes in Pell Grants

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
'we need to cut spending'. then a suggestion is made by the evil obama, and it's an awful move.

The first proposal would end the "year-round Pell" policy that let students collect two grants in a calendar year, with the second grant used for summer school. The official said the costs exceeded expectations and there was little evidence that students earn their degrees any faster.

The change would save $8 billion next year and $60 billion over a decade, the official said.

A second proposal would reduce loan subsidies for graduate and professional students. That would free $2 billion next year and save $29 billion over 10 years, according to the official.

The government currently pays the interest on student loans for some graduate and professional students as long as they stay in college. But the official said experts think the subsidy has failed to encourage more students to attend graduate school and it isn't well-matched to borrowers who have trouble repaying the loans.



i agree with their suggested changes.

This is education we are talking about here. You dont think there are other programs that can be cut or eliminated? Yes I am in agreement with you that cuts do need to be made to reduce the deficit.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

This is education we are talking about here. You dont think there are other programs that can be cut or eliminated? Yes I am in agreement with you that cuts do need to be made to reduce the deficit.

well, you can latch onto 'aahhh, it's education' or you can read and understand the article, and the fact that it only addresses pell grants, which is only one way to fund higher education. and yes, there are other budgetary items that can and should be cut. this is a good plan on his part. sorry you can't see that. it's a start, and one of many needed steps.


now, since you agree there must be cuts, surely you understand they might not all be palatable?


did you notice the highlighted areas? paying out all year didn't produce faster graduation rates, and wasn't worth the cost. it makes sense to cut this.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, you can latch onto 'aahhh, it's education' or you can read and understand the article, and the fact that it only addresses pell grants, which is only one way to fund higher education. and yes, there are other budgetary items that can and should be cut. this is a good plan on his part. sorry you can't see that. it's a start, and one of many needed steps.


now, since you agree there must be cuts, surely you understand they might not all be palatable?

I agree with you. What is your view on Iraq and Afghanistan? Should we send the troops home or not. Imagine the money that would be saved if this country got out of there. Im still waiting for WMD'S to be found in Iraq. Correct me if im wrong but wasn't that one of the main reason's why Bush attacked Iraq.

Americans have a sense of entitlement. Being a plumber is beneath most of them. They won't bother with a trade school.

The 18-25 year old Americans are the biggest sissies in American history. Most of them never truly suffered defeat or faced adversity in school/athletics because the liberal pantywaists wouldn't allow them to fail.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Americans have a sense of entitlement. Being a plumber is beneath most of them. They won't bother with a trade school.

The 18-25 year old Americans are the biggest sissies in American history. Most of them never truly suffered defeat or faced adversity in school/athletics because the liberal pantywaists wouldn't allow them to fail.

we heard yesterday about the teacher in cali who was suspended because of remarks she made on facebook. one of her students was interviewed, and made a remark about her not showing the class enough respect. what?!?! these are kids, they expect the teacher to respect them? holy crap, where are we going as a country?? parents, for gods sake, quit telling your kids how special they are. support your teachers, or you'll be supporting your kids for life!

and that's funny, they don't want to be plumbers. plumbers make damn good money.

Originally Posted by Danzig

we heard yesterday about the teacher in cali who was suspended because of remarks she made on facebook. one of her students was interviewed, and made a remark about her not showing the class enough respect. what?!?! these are kids, they expect the teacher to respect them? holy crap, where are we going as a country?? parents, for gods sake, quit telling your kids how special they are. support your teachers, or you'll be supporting your kids for life!

and that's funny, they don't want to be plumbers. plumbers make damn good money.

I'd say a good 30% of them just want to stay home and watch porn all day.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we heard yesterday about the teacher in cali who was suspended because of remarks she made on facebook. one of her students was interviewed, and made a remark about her not showing the class enough respect. what?!?! these are kids, they expect the teacher to respect them? holy crap, where are we going as a country?? parents, for gods sake, quit telling your kids how special they are. support your teachers, or you'll be supporting your kids for life!

and that's funny, they don't want to be plumbers. plumbers make damn good money.

Very well put.

[Nascar1966]

My purpose of starting this thread was to see everyone's view on it. Whether in agreement or disagreement.

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I agree with you. What is your view on Iraq and Afghanistan? Should we send the troops home or not. Imagine the money that would be saved if this country got out of there. Im still waiting for WMD'S to be found in Iraq. Correct me if im wrong but wasn't that one of the main reason's why Bush attacked Iraq.

We should bring all of the troops home and cut foreign aid completely. It is not our responsibility to save other countries from ruin.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

We should bring all of the troops home and cut foreign aid completely. It is not our responsibility to save other countries from ruin.

You have hit it right on the money. How much aid did these countries give the US when Louisiana got hit by Katrina? Didnt this country give aid for the tsunami victims?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

You have hit it right on the money. How much aid did these countries give the US when Louisiana got hit by Katrina? Didnt this country give aid for the tsunami victims?

Aid offered by foreign countries and groups to help the U.S. with Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, according to the State Department:

* Afghanistan: $100,000
* Albania: $300,000 pledged
* Armenia: $200,000 pledged
* Australia: $7.6 million
* Austria: tarps, camp beds
* Azerbaijan: $500,000
* Bahamas: $50,000 pledged
* Bahrain: $5 million pledged
* Bangladesh: $1 million pledged
* Belgium: operations teams, generators, water pumps, nine-member logistical team to work with the Red Cross
* Bosnia/Herzegovina: $6,414 pledged
* Cambodia: $20,000 pledged
* Canada: $5 million pledged to the hurricane relief fund headed by former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, two Griffin helicopters, search and rescue teams, Air Canada evacuation flights, supplies, security team, three Canadian forces ships with three Sea King helicopters
* China: $5.1 million, 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets
* Cyprus: $50,000
* Djibouti: $50,000 pledged
* Equatorial Guinea: $500,000 pledged
* Eupropean Commission: Civil Protection Cooperative Mechanism activated
* France: 600 tents, supplies
* Gabon: $500,000 pledged
* Georgia: $50,000
* Germany: high-speed pumps, supplies
* Greece: two cruise ships
* Hungary: $5,000
* Iceland: $500,000 pledged to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund
* International Committee of the Red Cross: Web-based tracking system for displaced people
* India: $5 million; 3,000 each of personal-hygiene kits, blankets and sheets; 150 tarps
* Iraq: $1 million pledged to the Red Cross via the Red Crescent
* Ireland: $1 million euro (about $1.24 million U.S.)
* Italy: generators, water pumps and purifiers, tents, supplies
* Japan: $200,000, $844,000 in supplies and private pledges of more than $1 million
* Kenya: $100,000
* Kuwait: $100 million plus an additional $400 million in oil products
* Malaysia: $1 million to the Red Cross
* Maldives: $25,000 to the Red Cross
* Mauritania: $200,000 from the American Mauritania Business Council to the Red Cross
* Mexico: 45 truckloads of supplies, transport vehicles, two field kitchens, two helicopters
* Mongolia: $50,000 pledged
* Morocco: $500,000 pledged
* Nepal: $25,000 pledged
* Netherlands: Levee inspection team to assist Army Corps of Engineers, water pumps, frigate
* New Zealand: $1.4 million to the Red Cross
* Nigeria: $1 million pledged
* Norway: $1.54 million in cash and supplies
* Oman: $15 million
* Organization of American States: $25,000, created fund for donations from member states to the International Committee of the Red Cross
* Pakistan: $1 million pledged to the Red Cross, supplies
* Palau: $50,000 pledged plus $50,000 donor drive
* Papua New Guinea: $10,000 to the Red Cross
* Qatar: $100 million pledged
* Republic of Korea: $30 million, supplies
* Russia: air transport, generators, tents, blankets, water, water pumps, supplies
* Sao Tome and Principe: $18,000 pledged
* Saudi Arabia: $5 million from Aramco, $250,000 from AGFUND
* Singapore: four helicopters
* Spain: relief supplies
* Sri Lanka: $25,000 to the Red Cross
* Sweden: telecommunications equipment
* Taiwan: $2 million, supplies
* Thailand: blankets, supplies
* United Arab Emirates: $100 million pledged
* Uganda: $200,000 pledged
* United Kingdom: relief supplies
* Venezuela: up to $1 million to the Red Cross and state governments
* Vietnam: $100,000 to victims
* Yemen: $100,000 to the Red Cross

SOURCE: State Department

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9282598/...ong_road_back/

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Aid offered by foreign countries and groups to help the U.S. with Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, according to the State Department:

* Afghanistan: $100,000
* Albania: $300,000 pledged
* Armenia: $200,000 pledged
* Australia: $7.6 million
* Austria: tarps, camp beds
* Azerbaijan: $500,000
* Bahamas: $50,000 pledged
* Bahrain: $5 million pledged
* Bangladesh: $1 million pledged
* Belgium: operations teams, generators, water pumps, nine-member logistical team to work with the Red Cross
* Bosnia/Herzegovina: $6,414 pledged
* Cambodia: $20,000 pledged
* Canada: $5 million pledged to the hurricane relief fund headed by former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, two Griffin helicopters, search and rescue teams, Air Canada evacuation flights, supplies, security team, three Canadian forces ships with three Sea King helicopters
* China: $5.1 million, 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets
* Cyprus: $50,000
* Djibouti: $50,000 pledged
* Equatorial Guinea: $500,000 pledged
* Eupropean Commission: Civil Protection Cooperative Mechanism activated
* France: 600 tents, supplies
* Gabon: $500,000 pledged
* Georgia: $50,000
* Germany: high-speed pumps, supplies
* Greece: two cruise ships
* Hungary: $5,000
* Iceland: $500,000 pledged to the Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund
* International Committee of the Red Cross: Web-based tracking system for displaced people
* India: $5 million; 3,000 each of personal-hygiene kits, blankets and sheets; 150 tarps
* Iraq: $1 million pledged to the Red Cross via the Red Crescent
* Ireland: $1 million euro (about $1.24 million U.S.)
* Italy: generators, water pumps and purifiers, tents, supplies
* Japan: $200,000, $844,000 in supplies and private pledges of more than $1 million
* Kenya: $100,000
* Kuwait: $100 million plus an additional $400 million in oil products
* Malaysia: $1 million to the Red Cross
* Maldives: $25,000 to the Red Cross
* Mauritania: $200,000 from the American Mauritania Business Council to the Red Cross
* Mexico: 45 truckloads of supplies, transport vehicles, two field kitchens, two helicopters
* Mongolia: $50,000 pledged
* Morocco: $500,000 pledged
* Nepal: $25,000 pledged
* Netherlands: Levee inspection team to assist Army Corps of Engineers, water pumps, frigate
* New Zealand: $1.4 million to the Red Cross
* Nigeria: $1 million pledged
* Norway: $1.54 million in cash and supplies
* Oman: $15 million
* Organization of American States: $25,000, created fund for donations from member states to the International Committee of the Red Cross
* Pakistan: $1 million pledged to the Red Cross, supplies
* Palau: $50,000 pledged plus $50,000 donor drive
* Papua New Guinea: $10,000 to the Red Cross
* Qatar: $100 million pledged
* Republic of Korea: $30 million, supplies
* Russia: air transport, generators, tents, blankets, water, water pumps, supplies
* Sao Tome and Principe: $18,000 pledged
* Saudi Arabia: $5 million from Aramco, $250,000 from AGFUND
* Singapore: four helicopters
* Spain: relief supplies
* Sri Lanka: $25,000 to the Red Cross
* Sweden: telecommunications equipment
* Taiwan: $2 million, supplies
* Thailand: blankets, supplies
* United Arab Emirates: $100 million pledged
* Uganda: $200,000 pledged
* United Kingdom: relief supplies
* Venezuela: up to $1 million to the Red Cross and state governments
* Vietnam: $100,000 to victims
* Yemen: $100,000 to the Red Cross

SOURCE: State Department

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9282598/...ong_road_back/

Some countries did offer aid. Did all the countries the US helps offer aid? I dont see Egypt or Haiti on the list.

* Kuwait: $100 million plus an additional $400 million in oil products
* Qatar: $100 million pledged
* Saudi Arabia: $5 million from Aramco, $250,000 from AGFUND
* Bahrain: $5 million pledged
* Oman: $15 million
* United Arab Emirates: $100 million pledged

* Saudi Arabia: $5 million from Aramco, $250,000 from AGFUND

So Egypt donated $0? He's regretting that now. All those years of playing squirrel with our nuts has caught up with him.

Kuwait, Qatar, UAE made the right offer. Very savvy on their part.

The Saudis. That's going to be the real turning point in the Middle East. If the House of Saud falls it could change everything for the better. Give the youth a voice and we'll see if they want a Benz with a trophy wife or a camel and a bee-keeper wife.

* Australia: $7.6 million

Never met an Australian I didn't like. Yahoo Serious, excluded.

* China: $5.1 million, 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets
* Taiwan: $2 million, supplies

We should side with Taiwan but will we?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I agree with you. What is your view on Iraq and Afghanistan? Should we send the troops home or not. Imagine the money that would be saved if this country got out of there. Im still waiting for WMD'S to be found in Iraq. Correct me if im wrong but wasn't that one of the main reason's why Bush attacked Iraq.

we should never have gone into iraq. never, ever, ever in a million years. we'd be thru in afganistan by now had we not taken men and money away from afganistan. then again, i don't know that we should have gone into that pissant country either. look at every other country that has invaded afganistan and where it got them. no-freaking-where. think back to gulf '91 and the aftermath. we had never stood higher in many peoples' estimation. now, fast forward over the years....we got attack on 9-11-look at the worlds reaction. for the most part, shock, horror and a lot of support. what did we do? think about all that. what should we have done? not what ended up happening, that's for damn sure. universal good will evaporated with our push to invade iraq. iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. nothing.

a war should be justified, your cause should be right, and you have to be able to win the thing. can we win in afganistan? i don't know that we can.
like sherman said, "War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over." but we want to fight a ''civilized' war, which is why that joker is dragging on and on...and on.


bush was a fool. his push to war in iraq was the cruellest act of his presidency. i wish like hell we could go back to those dark days and redo all that. what a mess he's gotten us into. the deficit is what it is due to those two misbegotten wars. and for what? where has it gotten us? what has been gained? nothing. there were other ways to attack terrorism. what a bill of goods we were sold.


three things are needed to fight a war.
money, money, and yet more money.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we should never have gone into iraq. never, ever, ever in a million years. we'd be thru in afganistan by now had we not taken men and money away from afganistan. then again, i don't know that we should have gone into that pissant country either. look at every other country that has invaded afganistan and where it got them. no-freaking-where. think back to gulf '91 and the aftermath. we had never stood higher in many peoples' estimation. now, fast forward over the years....we got attack on 9-11-look at the worlds reaction. for the most part, shock, horror and a lot of support. what did we do? think about all that. what should we have done? not what ended up happening, that's for damn sure. universal good will evaporated with our push to invade iraq. iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. nothing.

a war should be justified, your cause should be right, and you have to be able to win the thing. can we win in afganistan? i don't know that we can.
like sherman said, "War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over." but we want to fight a ''civilized' war, which is why that joker is dragging on and on...and on.


bush was a fool. his push to war in iraq was the cruellest act of his presidency. i wish like hell we could go back to those dark days and redo all that. what a mess he's gotten us into. the deficit is what it is due to those two misbegotten wars. and for what? where has it gotten us? what has been gained? nothing. there were other ways to attack terrorism. what a bill of goods we were sold.


three things are needed to fight a war.
money, money, and yet more money.

Bush should of been impeached if you ask me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Bush should of been impeached if you ask me.

He can't travel:

Bush’s Shrinking World: George W. Bush Cancels Europe Trip as Human Rights Lawyers Threaten Legal Action over Torture

Former President George W. Bush has been forced to cancel a planned trip to Switzerland after human rights attorneys threatened to take legal action against him for sanctioning the use of torture. The Center for Constitutional Rights said they had planned to bring a complaint on behalf of two men who were tortured by U.S. interrogators and held at the military base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. "It was disappointing that we’re not able to actually prosecute him," says CCR legal director Bill Quigley. "But I think it has shown worldwide that even though he was the president of the United States, if you engage in torture... there are consequences."

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

He can't travel:

That news is a little old don't you think!!!!!!

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Riot

He can't travel:

I knew this was going to come up some time on here.

In what would have been his first European trip since leaving office, Bush was scheduled to speak in Geneva on Feb. 12 at a dinner in honor of the United Israel Appeal. A lawyer for the organization said that Bush's appearance was canceled because of the risk of violence, and that the threat of legal action was not an issue.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020503752.html

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Bush should of been impeached if you ask me.

Who did you vote for in 2004?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Who did you vote for in 2004?