Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So how come MY insurance company made us change what we already had, and my costs went up by $600 ?? all because of Obamacare also.

Company insurance plan comes up for renewal in April. Cost went up over $2000 for 3 employees that are covered under the plan. One employee has 3 children on it with 1 child with a pre-existing condition.

We're going to be shopping for something else, but Anthem and one other company won't quote any prices until after sign up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Company insurance plan comes up for renewal in April. Cost went up over $2000 for 3 employees that are covered under the plan. One employee has 3 children on it with 1 child with a pre-existing condition.

We're going to be shopping for something else, but Anthem and one other company won't quote any prices until after sign up.

Like the credit card companies that tried to financially gouge their customers in the months before the credit card protection restrictions kicked in. Let them tell you they no longer offer coverage for children, too.

"Won't quote prices until after sign up" - and people say no regulation is needed of this industry? Believe me, they would hold you to the price contract - as they freely disregard theirs, and indulge in rescission for the child with a pre-existing condition exclusion.

This is the folly of our nation: having what we receive as healthcare determined by those that make more money by not giving us healthcare.

We need to screw all this stuff and just go to single payer. Let everyone in the country buy the same insurance, of the same quality, Federal employees have. No exclusions, no pre-existing conditions. Just one big pool, everyone gets great health insurance with modern coverage.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Company insurance plan comes up for renewal in April. Cost went up over $2000 for 3 employees that are covered under the plan. One employee has 3 children on it with 1 child with a pre-existing condition.

We're going to be shopping for something else, but Anthem and one other company won't quote any prices until after sign up.

What a coincident your health insurance goes up around the same time Obamacare is approvd.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Company insurance plan comes up for renewal in April. Cost went up over $2000 for 3 employees that are covered under the plan. One employee has 3 children on it with 1 child with a pre-existing condition.

We're going to be shopping for something else, but Anthem and one other company won't quote any prices until after sign up.

Since I now have the sheet in front of me. Anthem and Consumer's Life have already quoted rates, but those rates are not set, and may go up after sign-up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Since I now have the sheet in front of me. Anthem and Consumer's Life have already quoted rates, but those rates are not set, and may go up after sign-up.

Gotta love insurance companies. You sign a contract with them, but the contract says that here's the agreement - but they have outs at their discretion

Are the rates reasonable?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Riot

Gotta love insurance companies. You sign a contract with them, but the contract says that here's the agreement - but they have outs at their discretion

Are the rates reasonable?

On the surface (11% increase) with what I've seen the past 5 years, its tolerable.

Deductibles are getting up there though.

With what I see with Anthem (we were with them in 2007 before switching), rates already increased on one employee, and they already have a higher deductibles. The employee has to worry about his non-formulary co-pays. They are currently at $40, but with other policies offered they could be as high as $80. Expensive for his oldest on his needed monthly medicine.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

On the surface (11% increase) with what I've seen the past 5 years its tolerable.

Deductibles are getting up there though.

With what I see with Anthem (we were with them in 2007 before switching), rates already increased on one employee, and they already have a higher deductibles. The employee has to worry about his non-formulary co-pays. They are currently at $40, but with other policies offered they could be as high as $80. Expensive for his oldest on his needed monthly medicine.

Well, at least with kids under 18, the insurance companies can no longer do lifetime caps or kick kids off completely for pre-existings. Although it doesn't mean they won't manipulate the heck out of things, until the 2014 80% reinvestment rule (must spend on policy holders) for the company kicks in.

We are a crazy country. I completely fail to understand why we can't go to a public option, why people are against that?

[Crown@club]

Another 9.7% increase........

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

Another 9.7% increase........

but look at all the 'free' stuff you're getting! isn't it wonderful??

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Gotta love insurance companies. You sign a contract with them, but the contract says that here's the agreement - but they have outs at their discretion

Are the rates reasonable?

Easy solution: Don't sign a contract and look for something better.

And there are bills that will remove compensation completely for insurance agents.

Once again a move to kill the middle class with the illusion of health care for all.


Maybe they can draw unemployment, we'll go through a downturn, then when they run out of unemployment benefits magically the unemployment numbers will plummet and they'll lie and say jobs were added.

America - the land of the helpless p.ussyfarts who do what they're told.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

And there are bills that will remove compensation completely for insurance agents.Once again a move to kill the middle class with the illusion of health care for all.


Maybe they can draw unemployment, we'll go through a downturn, then when they run out of unemployment benefits magically the unemployment numbers will plummet and they'll lie and say jobs were added.

America - the land of the helpless p.ussyfarts who do what they're told.

yes, there are. because we all know how evil insurance agents are. most people don't know a whole lot about insurance, and count on advice from a pro. where will they turn when the pros aren't available? what if an important medicare date is missed? then they get denied coverage....throw themselves on the mercy of the fed. govt. yeah, that'll go well.

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, there are. because we all know how evil insurance agents are. most people don't know a whole lot about insurance, and count on advice from a pro. where will they turn when the pros aren't available? what if an important medicare date is missed? then they get denied coverage....throw themselves on the mercy of the fed. govt. yeah, that'll go well.

Well that's easy. You'll go online and choose from an exchange. These health insurance plans are easy to figure out. Insurance agents were the problem. Now most of the fraud will subside and there will be people emitting rainbows from their a-holes and all will be well.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well that's easy. You'll go online and choose from an exchange. These health insurance plans are easy to figure out. Insurance agents were the problem. Now most of the fraud will subside and there will be people emitting rainbows from their a-holes and all will be well.

yeah, but they start getting difficult when people are dealing with having to do certain things at certain times...if you don't fill out the right stuff at the right time, you could end up messing up your medicare. then there's the drug plans...do you want part a and b? or just a? what about supplement plans?

cause we all know that the agents are the issue with rising health costs!


and i know you're being facetious...it's just aggravating how they're trying to 'fix' things.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, but they start getting difficult when people are dealing with having to do certain things at certain times...if you don't fill out the right stuff at the right time, you could end up messing up your medicare. then there's the drug plans...do you want part a and b? or just a? what about supplement plans?

cause we all know that the agents are the issue with rising health costs!


and i know you're being facetious...it's just aggravating how they're trying to 'fix' things.

Health plans are simplified, the same basic benefits required of all basic tier plans across the country, no refusal for pre-existing conditions, multiple equal plans to compare pricing on the exchanges, Medicare donut holes closed. Doesn't seem more confusing.

I have family members in insurance (corporate and union healthcare & bennie plans) who did well in 2011, and anticipate business to continue to boom this year, as more companies will be able to afford and provide insurance.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well that's easy. You'll go online and choose from an exchange. These health insurance plans are easy to figure out. Insurance agents were the problem. Now most of the fraud will subside and there will be people emitting rainbows from their a-holes and all will be well.

instead of Betfair go to Betcare?

[Riot]

http://www.healthcare.gov

For those that want to see their current options, want to know what the ACA includes, wants to see what benefits they can get, etc.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

And there are bills that will remove compensation completely for insurance agents.

What bills are you talking about?