Twirling Candy Love....

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Your posting skills are improving about as rapidly as you imagined Twirling Candy's racing skills have since last fall.

Again, a lot of this has to do with competition. Of course if he faces a bunch of cream puffs in the Big Cap, which is highly likely, he'll probably win. It won't prove anything.

His superstar status is completely a product of the anemic CA racing industry. Just as Rail Trip's was last year.

Back as recent as the early '90s, horses like Bertrando, In Excess, and Afternoon Deelites were in the position he was in, and he couldn't hold a candle to any of those. All 3 of those failed miserably in the Big Cap (in fact, they were also upset at odds-on in the Strub, when it was run at 10f).

The fact that a horse like this has a chance to win a prestigious race like the Big Cap under such fair weather conditions, not to mention, already--with the aid of a superhighway--erasing Spectacular Bid's world record effort at 7f, is tragedy of the highest order in my eyes.

For the record..Likely winner of the Big Cap or will be a miler?

Rail Trip was never sound and the only person who deemed him a superstar was Team Z

Who cares who raced in 1995 that was 16 years ago and while we all wished the times were different they arent. And BTW the Donn was a rag tag group of nobodys. So it isnt like east coast talent is overwhelming either.

Now you want to cloud the issue with track conditions? The track is what the track is. You like the Calder surface better? They run 1:11 and the BSF is a 115. What do track records have to do with anything?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

For the record..Likely winner of the Big Cap or will be a miler?

Those two aren't mutually exclusive.

Rail Trip was never sound and the only person who deemed him a superstar was Team Z

How the fucl< do you know?

Who cares who raced in 1995 that was 16 years ago and while we all wished the times were different they arent. And BTW the Donn was a rag tag group of nobodys. So it isnt like east coast talent is overwhelming either.

Unlike the Strub, at least there were several accomplished horses in that race, which also was not age-restricted.

Now you want to cloud the issue with track conditions? The track is what the track is. You like the Calder surface better? They run 1:11 and the BSF is a 115. What do track records have to do with anything?

Yeah, so Twirling Candy beat Spectacular Bid's mark because he was simply better?

As for track records, isn't the fact that he beat The Bid's record part of the propaganda being set alight (read Brad Free's ridiculous blog) for this bonfire of BS?

[freddymo]

Oh so Twirling candy is the fav to win the Big Cap(should we toss the Gold Cup and Pac Cap in as well?) but will be switching up for the Cigar Mile and the dirt mile at BC later in the year. No Dressage?

Rail Trip had like what 13 starts in 3 years and a 8 month break from 09 to '10.. What was he doing studying for the Bar?

Oh yeah they were mighty accomplished. One had 1 race in forever, a lawsuit and new leg, one was a stem cell survivor, one was second off a layoff for connections you deemed miserable, and one that couldnt have faced a crappier field in the BC mile ran his heart out and still couldnt beat a 30/1 shot..Oh I forgot Fly Down is thru and Ron the Greek is heading to Penn Nat.

Again who cares who holds track records as they are always the product of track conditions vs. horse power.. Does anyone think that the GP turf mile record is meaningful even though its 1:31?

As for Brad Free. I always have respected his opinion and while he is very capable of being wrong and while I might disagree with him he is certainly qualified to have a very defendable position which is based on years of expertises

[Travis Stone]

For what it's worth, it's not like Twirling Candy would have much to beat on the East Coast right now if Giant Oak is the divisional leader at this point.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

For what it's worth, it's not like Twirling Candy would have much to beat on the East Coast right now if Giant Oak is the divisional leader at this point.

Good point you have brought up. Im thinking the same holds true for the West Coast. Aggie Engineer had the chance yesterday to throw his hat into the leading handicap horse for the West Coast and failed. I would laugh if any American horse makes the trip to Dubai next month for the ten million dollar race.

[RockHardTen1985]

He is the best older horse in the country right now, even though at this point its by default because everyone else stinks. Who from the Donn would you take over him? Twirling Candy interests me because I believe he still has a ton of room to improve, and can run well on all surfaces.

[Dahoss]

I think Morning Line is better than Twirling Candy. He has actually shown the ability to withstand serious pace pressure and still run very well. Not saying Twirling Candy can't, but his race was much easier quality wise on Saturday.

I thought it was an encouraging race by I Want Revenge (but how much could he possibly have left?) and Rule ran okay, while moving prematurely. IMO Sidney's Candy is better than Twirling Candy.

[PSH]

We were fortunate to get on the backstretch of Del Mar last August and were standing outside the Sadler barn when John came up to me and introduced himself. Told him that Hammerle had given our group passes and John pointed out the horses walking around the barnyard and then said do you want to see what a real racehorse looks like. He took us to the stall of Twirling Candy and said that he was the best horse that he had ever been around and compared him to having the physical quality of a Dwight Howard in the NBA. John then stated the only issue is a mental one with him and if TC could ever figure things out then the sky would be the limit....

It was a real treat for us and i will always remember John for his kindness and the time he spent in showing us around his barn.

Looks like TC is finally figuring things out on the mental side and i agree although he was visually very impressive this weekend it was against a field of less than stellar competitors.

I have a good feeling that John will ship TC outside of California during the Summer and Fall and hope that he does. It will be interesting to see how he fares against the older handicapping division back east.