Twirling Candy Love....

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The more you dig the deeper the hole gets.. Again,learning is a process. So while the Goodward was bad and the Strub was rough the San Anton was better and the Cap will be even better. maybe I can make it easier for you to understand FlippO the more he does it the better he gets. Does that work for you?

I'll just ignore your massive botch of Twirling Candy's career (the San Antonio was yesterday--he wasn't in it).

Its not a case of the more "he does it, the better he gets", it's "the less he faces, the better he looks". It's a matter of him finding his friends. Note he has not beaten older horses. In that regard, he hasn't shown any dramatic improvement yet, either.

I don't see much of a difference between the Goodwood Twirling Candy and the Strub Twirling Candy.

If someone wants to break it down for me other than the deluded Number 1 Fan Freddy (next he'll be attributing some of Sidney's Candy's accomplishments to Twirling Candy), I'll be happy to listen.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'll just ignore your massive botch of Twirling Candy's career (the San Antonio was yesterday--he wasn't in it).

Its not a case of the more "he does it, the better he gets", it's "the less he faces, the better he looks". It's a matter of him finding his friends. Note he has not beaten older horses. In that regard, he hasn't shown any dramatic improvement yet, either.

I don't see much of a difference between the Goodwood Twirling Candy and the Strub Twirling Candy.

If someone wants to break it down for me other than the deluded Number 1 Fan Freddy (next he'll be attributing some of Sidney's Candy's accomplishments to Twirling Candy), I'll be happy to listen.

A lot of very well respected and highly qualified people other then I don't concur with your flippy self serving reverse engineered swill.

Couldn't rate... learns

Couldn't turn ...Does

Couldn't run two turns..easily

Now its "can't do against a certain quality of horse".. i guess if those horses never materialize you can never consider yourself incorrect.. How convienient John

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

A lot of very well respected and highly qualified people other then I don't concur with your flippy self serving reverse engineered swill.

Couldn't rate... learns

Couldn't turn ...Does

Couldn't run two turns..easily

Now its "can't do against a certain quality of horse".. i guess if those horses never materialize you can never consider yourself incorrect.. How convienient John

The only thing I was wrong about was that he wasn't fast enough early to press Smiling Tiger in the Malibu.

He'll be cutback to sprints and flat miles by year's end, maybe then he'll realize his full potential (ie, a placing in the BC Sprint).

I like how you use being able to negotiate the clubhouse turn without taking out half the field as some sort of landmark in a horse's career. Laughable.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The only thing I was wrong about was that he wasn't fast enough early to press Smiling Tiger in the Malibu.

He'll be cutback to sprints and flat miles by year's end, maybe then he'll realize his full potential (ie, a placing in the BC Sprint). Haven't you already repp'd him as the easy winner of the Big Cap now Fippy if you wins the Big Cap you are off the hook because you posted as such(naturally will get the reversed engineered banter of kaka) or if by some chance he losses the Big Cap you will be glorious in your plan b cut back theory.. Do you always bet heads and tails and lay 6/5 on coin flips flippy. Way to cover your butt wins the Big Cap or will be cutting back can we add will be show jumping somewhere I like how you use being able to negotiate the clubhouse turn without taking out half the field as some sort of landmark in a horse's career. Laughable.I though we covered this but I guess you can get off the cant turn run off easier then a jock.

Are there any other predictions you would like to make?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Are there any other predictions you would like to make?

Your posting skills are improving about as rapidly as you imagined Twirling Candy's racing skills have since last fall.

Again, a lot of this has to do with competition. Of course if he faces a bunch of cream puffs in the Big Cap, which is highly likely, he'll probably win. It won't prove anything.

His superstar status is completely a product of the anemic CA racing industry. Just as Rail Trip's was last year.

Back as recent as the early '90s, horses like Bertrando, In Excess, and Afternoon Deelites were in the position he was in, and he couldn't hold a candle to any of those. All 3 of those failed miserably in the Big Cap (in fact, they were also upset at odds-on in the Strub, when it was run at 10f).

The fact that a horse like this has a chance to win a prestigious race like the Big Cap under such fair weather conditions, not to mention, already--with the aid of a superhighway--erasing Spectacular Bid's world record effort at 7f, is tragedy of the highest order in my eyes.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Your posting skills are improving about as rapidly as you imagined Twirling Candy's racing skills have since last fall.

Again, a lot of this has to do with competition. Of course if he faces a bunch of cream puffs in the Big Cap, which is highly likely, he'll probably win. It won't prove anything.

His superstar status is completely a product of the anemic CA racing industry. Just as Rail Trip's was last year.

Back as recent as the early '90s, horses like Bertrando, In Excess, and Afternoon Deelites were in the position he was in, and he couldn't hold a candle to any of those. All 3 of those failed miserably in the Big Cap (in fact, they were also upset at odds-on in the Strub, when it was run at 10f).

The fact that a horse like this has a chance to win a prestigious race like the Big Cap under such fair weather conditions, not to mention, already--with the aid of a superhighway--erasing Spectacular Bid's world record effort at 7f, is tragedy of the highest order in my eyes.

For the record..Likely winner of the Big Cap or will be a miler?

Rail Trip was never sound and the only person who deemed him a superstar was Team Z

Who cares who raced in 1995 that was 16 years ago and while we all wished the times were different they arent. And BTW the Donn was a rag tag group of nobodys. So it isnt like east coast talent is overwhelming either.

Now you want to cloud the issue with track conditions? The track is what the track is. You like the Calder surface better? They run 1:11 and the BSF is a 115. What do track records have to do with anything?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

For the record..Likely winner of the Big Cap or will be a miler?

Those two aren't mutually exclusive.

Rail Trip was never sound and the only person who deemed him a superstar was Team Z

How the fucl< do you know?

Who cares who raced in 1995 that was 16 years ago and while we all wished the times were different they arent. And BTW the Donn was a rag tag group of nobodys. So it isnt like east coast talent is overwhelming either.

Unlike the Strub, at least there were several accomplished horses in that race, which also was not age-restricted.

Now you want to cloud the issue with track conditions? The track is what the track is. You like the Calder surface better? They run 1:11 and the BSF is a 115. What do track records have to do with anything?

Yeah, so Twirling Candy beat Spectacular Bid's mark because he was simply better?

As for track records, isn't the fact that he beat The Bid's record part of the propaganda being set alight (read Brad Free's ridiculous blog) for this bonfire of BS?

[PSH]

We were fortunate to get on the backstretch of Del Mar last August and were standing outside the Sadler barn when John came up to me and introduced himself. Told him that Hammerle had given our group passes and John pointed out the horses walking around the barnyard and then said do you want to see what a real racehorse looks like. He took us to the stall of Twirling Candy and said that he was the best horse that he had ever been around and compared him to having the physical quality of a Dwight Howard in the NBA. John then stated the only issue is a mental one with him and if TC could ever figure things out then the sky would be the limit....

It was a real treat for us and i will always remember John for his kindness and the time he spent in showing us around his barn.

Looks like TC is finally figuring things out on the mental side and i agree although he was visually very impressive this weekend it was against a field of less than stellar competitors.

I have a good feeling that John will ship TC outside of California during the Summer and Fall and hope that he does. It will be interesting to see how he fares against the older handicapping division back east.