The 3-year-old males

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

for starters, bill mott hasn't exactly lit up the derby scene. an awesome trainer, but not one well known for his prowess with getting a 3 yo to churchill. as for limited racing, i think saying trainers deserve benefit of the doubt with only two starts only emboldens trainers to do such things. it seems that it used to be a trainer got brave when he had a good horse, and took on any comer so he could prove it. now, trainers get chicken when they sense a horse has talent. it shouldn't be accepted practice, and people shouldn't just shrug and say trainers know best. the best should be bred to the best to produce the best; hothouse flowers who aren't tried and tested are what we currently see in the shed, and look where it's getting us. this sport needs revamping in a serious way, and there's no better place to start than on the road to the t.c. i think there should be a minimum number of starts requirement as well as getting rid of 2 yo earnings. this race has a huge impact on breeding, it should be limited to horses who deserve a shot to pass on their genes. horses handled with kid gloves due to brittleness or unsoundness need not apply!

Specific races.... People said that about Todd also. Has Mott ever had a really big named horse going in? Im sure he has, Im just drawing a blank.

[Danzig]

my talk about mott was in response to betsy saying she had complete faith in him heading to the derby. i don't care who the trainer is, i don't agree with only two starts for a horse in that amount of time. and they wonder why a horse can't withstand the grueling three races in five weeks; it's because they have no bottom. they aren't tested going in. and if they can't withstand what it takes to run in those races, they have no business being there in the first place. people bemoan the lack of a tc winner in years; well i think a big part of that is the change in training. horses are asked to go too long at two, they have no steady progression in distance at three. they don't run enough early on, they don't get strong enough, and they can't last.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

my talk about mott was in response to betsy saying she had complete faith in him heading to the derby. i don't care who the trainer is, i don't agree with only two starts for a horse in that amount of time. and they wonder why a horse can't withstand the grueling three races in five weeks; it's because they have no bottom. they aren't tested going in. and if they can't withstand what it takes to run in those races, they have no business being there in the first place. people bemoan the lack of a tc winner in years; well i think a big part of that is the change in training. horses are asked to go too long at two, they have no steady progression in distance at three. they don't run enough early on, they don't get strong enough, and they can't last.

You are making entirely too much sense in this thread.

Is it true that Uncle Mo's first start of the year is the Tampa Bay Derby?

If so, that is ridiculous. Just retire the horse now.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Is it true that Uncle Mo's first start of the year is the Tampa Bay Derby?

If so, that is ridiculous. Just retire the horse now.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Is it true that Uncle Mo's first start of the year is the Tampa Bay Derby?

If so, that is ridiculous. Just retire the horse now.

Tampa Bay-Wood-Kentucky.
Its been that way for a while now.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Tampa Bay-Wood-Kentucky.
Its been that way for a while now.

That's weak s.hit. He might as well burn 10,000,000 vitamin waters in a massive bonfire.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That's weak s.hit. He might as well burn 10,000,000 vitamin waters in a massive bonfire.

I like it.
And not because I love UM.
He should kill the Tampa Bay Derby and win the Wood for fun. This crop is deep, everyone knows it. He goes 2-2 this year, off of last year he could be 4-5 or less in the Derby. I would use a number of horses trying to beat him going 10f. A lot of the good horses so far, have a lot of early zip. Just like UM, he could get cooked Belamy Road style. Just to close to a fast pace.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Is it true that Uncle Mo's first start of the year is the Tampa Bay Derby?

If so, that is ridiculous. Just retire the horse now.

Same race where Street Sense and Super Saver made their 3yo debuts ... the Tampa Bay Derby has benefited big from GP reconfiguring to a 9f track.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Same race where Street Sense and Super Saver made their 3yo debuts ... the Tampa Bay Derby has benefited big from GP reconfiguring to a 9f track.

Is Calvin riding Uncle Mo?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You are making entirely too much sense in this thread.

sorry, must be the crown black talking. good stuff.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Specific races.... People said that about Todd also. Has Mott ever had a really big named horse going in? Im sure he has, Im just drawing a blank.

In 1984 Mott had Blue Grass and Louisiana Derby winner Taylor's Special run in the Derby. But that horse, although very good, was a son of Hawkin's Special and had distance limitations. He was essentially turned into a miler/sprinter after his 3yo season ended with a decent 4th in the Preakness.

[Danzig]

http://www.drf.com/news/boys-toscono...rail-sent-farm


bad new for boys at toscanova fans... and is one of the reasons why i cautioned going purely by 2 yo form when choosing your derby fave. we know this stuff happens, where top horses coming into a new season can't get to churchill in may. doesn't ease the sting a bit tho. hopefully they find what's wrong with him, and can bring him back to training. but who knows? that's racing i guess. good luck to 'boys' and maybe they can find him a new trainer in the meantime!!

[Princess Doreen]

Sortable list of 2011 Triple Crown nominations - only 4 fillies

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ia/nominations

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Sortable list of 2011 Triple Crown nominations - only 4 fillies

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ia/nominations

but won't there be other opportunities in the next few months to nominate?