LOL -- A warning from Napolitano

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Instead of discounting information offered, it would be nice for someone to come up with facts and figures from a reputable source to indicate that illegal immigration is not costing the American tax payers exorbitant amounts of money.

At this stage and numbers of illegals, we can't just "kick them all out" even though it was promised in 1986 that something like this would never happen again. I fully realize that, but the government is not doing its best to control the situation. If they were, then employers employing illegals would be called to task, the social security administration would not allow an illegal to obtain a SS number, law enforcement hands are tied dealing with illegals who commit crimes - it's another don't ask don't tell situation. How bad does it have to get before an illegal is deported? How many of them actually are? Or, are they taking up USA taxpayer money by languishing in US jails which is probably better than any kind of accommodation they can get in their mother country?

The vast majority of illegals are here to work, to make a better life for themselves and their families. I don't doubt that. But, the fact remains that they are here ILLEGALLY and far too many people in this country, especially our lawmakers, have become comfortable with the situation. Amnesty is on the table because lawmakers of a certain ilk want that vote. Amnesty when the one in 1986 was promised to be the last one.

the govt doesn't allow illegals to obtain ss numbers. it ignores the fact that money flowing in is flowing in on invalid numbers, thus ensuring the money coming in never pays out to that same number. illegals contribute quite a lot of money to taxes, while never having a way to get that money back upon retirement. that money is what helps ss/the feds to remain solvent. and yes, they are here under illegal means. however, we benefit more from them being here in that way then if we were to grant them citizenship or amnesty. why? because if they become citizens, they can get the money they pay into the system back out. have you heard the phrase cut off ones nose to spite ones face? no doubt you have, and that's exactly what you're proposing to do here. this isn't a black and white issue, in that it's either all good, or all bad.
ask yourself, why has nothing been changed in spite of the talk, the rhetoric, and the demand that 'we must do something'? it's because of what i said before, money. illegals trying to work the system are shown the door. those who contribute, who work, are not. employers who write down an ss number and contribue their matching money thru social security are left alone. employers who pay under the table are raided.

do you really think the govt would do nothing had they crunched the numbers and found we were losing funds due to the illegals??? yeah, right. the govt may be self absorbed, eager only for re-election...but they aren't stupid.

[dellinger63]

teach a US registered potential human broodmare with a less than valuable pedigree to become a equine hot-walker/groom instead or tax her and then look at the savings. Multiply that by all illegal jobs and we're talking big!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

teach a US registered potential human broodmare with a less than valuable pedigree to become a equine hot-walker/groom instead or tax her and then look at the savings. Multiply that by all illegal jobs and we're talking big!

lol
yeah, cause our upright citizens are begging for menial jobs with base pay. too easy to get on the dole.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
yeah, cause our upright citizens are begging for menial jobs with base pay. too easy to get on the dole.

not upright, but plenty of those on the dole to go around......and though broke obese at the same time.

[dellinger63]

Great experience at the grocery store tonight, while waiting in line to get coffee and bread the lady in front with a huge order but checked out has problems getting her card to go thru the right way. This woman's English comprehension seemed to be hey. After showing her which, way to point the magnetic strip I find it's a 'food stamp credit card' WTF with $479 balance after buying almost $100 WTF. Then she gets in a Escalade and knows how to operate the key-bob remote. WTF?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Great experience at the grocery store tonight, while waiting in line to get coffee and bread the lady in front with a huge order but checked out has problems getting her card to go thru the right way. This woman's English comprehension seemed to be hey. After showing her which, way to point the magnetic strip I find it's a 'food stamp credit card' WTF with $479 balance after buying almost $100 WTF. Then she gets in a Escalade and knows how to operate the key-bob remote. WTF?

i'd ask if her name was tara, but i remember that you live in ill, and my brother and his brood are in n.c.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd ask if her name was tara, but i remember that you live in ill, and my brother and his brood are in n.c.

This was in WI, in a resort town. She did have IL plates.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Great experience at the grocery store tonight, while waiting in line to get coffee and bread the lady in front with a huge order but checked out has problems getting her card to go thru the right way. This woman's English comprehension seemed to be hey. After showing her which, way to point the magnetic strip I find it's a 'food stamp credit card' WTF with $479 balance after buying almost $100 WTF. Then she gets in a Escalade and knows how to operate the key-bob remote. WTF?

Big surprise there. Someone in a nice car with a food stamp credit card. I'm sure she will claim it isn't her car and she was borrowing it. She might say the car belongs to someone else in her family.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Great experience at the grocery store tonight, while waiting in line to get coffee and bread the lady in front with a huge order but checked out has problems getting her card to go thru the right way. This woman's English comprehension seemed to be hey. After showing her which, way to point the magnetic strip I find it's a 'food stamp credit card' WTF with $479 balance after buying almost $100 WTF. Then she gets in a Escalade and knows how to operate the key-bob remote. WTF?

ah yes. the legendary welfare queen. a staple for many years.

glad to see she's now a hispanic immigrant and no longer black.

change is good.

you'd think she'd have moved on from a cadillac though. the updated queen i see more as a mercedes driver. it would be a better story if she wasn't buying american.

here's another true story:

i once saw a gang of republican's beat a homeless women to death when she wouldn't convert to christianity. seriously.

in simi valley, ca. that detail makes it more likely to be true.

[Danzig]

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/doe...ion-cost-jobs/


Summary
Do immigrants take American jobs? It’s a common refrain among those who want to tighten limits on legal immigration and deny a "path to citizenship" — which they call "amnesty" — to the millions of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally. There’s even a new Reclaim American Jobs Caucus in the House, with at least 41 members.

But most economists and other experts say there’s little to support the claim. Study after study has shown that immigrants grow the economy, expanding demand for goods and services that the foreign-born workers and their families consume, and thereby creating jobs. There is even broad agreement among economists that while immigrants may push down wages for some, the overall effect is to increase average wages for American-born workers.

also:

But whether they’re legal, as in the CFAW ad, or illegal, as in our two other examples, really doesn’t matter for the purpose of answering our question: The truth is that immigrants don’t "take American jobs," according to most economists and others who have studied the issue.

Immigrant workers "create almost as many" jobs as they occupy, "and maybe more," said Madeleine Sumption, policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, which is funded by a range of foundations, corporations and international organizations. "They often create the jobs they work in." In addition, "they buy things, and they make the economy bigger," she told us. As she and a co-author wrote in a report last year for a group created by the British government:

Somerville and Sumption: [T]he impact of immigration [on a nation's economy] remains small, for several reasons. Immigrants are not competitive in many types of jobs, and hence are not direct substitutes for natives. Local employers increase demand for low-skilled labor in areas that receive low-skilled immigrant inflows. Immigrants contribute to demand for goods and services that they consume, in turn increasing the demand for labor. And immigrants contribute to labor market efficiency and long-term economic growth.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

teach a US registered potential human broodmare with a less than valuable pedigree to become a equine hot-walker/groom instead or tax her and then look at the savings. Multiply that by all illegal jobs and we're talking big!

another pretty damn stupid post

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

another pretty damn stupid post

Sorry ugly problems don't have pretty solutions.

With the social acceptence of single mother/teen pregnancy and the government providing lifetime support including healthcare, I'm afraid 'welfare mom' has become an acceptable vocation for young girls when it was originally intended as a safeguard for assisting a woman in need.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sorry ugly problems don't have pretty solutions.

With the social acceptence of single mother/teen pregnancy and the government providing lifetime support including healthcare, I'm afraid 'welfare mom' has become an acceptable vocation for young girls when it was originally intended as a safeguard for assisting a woman in need.

that boils down to bad parenting.

People should have to pass multiple tests before they should be allowed to become parents.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

that boils down to bad parenting.

People should have to pass multiple tests before they should be allowed to become parents.

When enough people view the Morey Show etc. as entertainment rather than an insult, in many cases a racist insult, in order to keep it on the air, I'd argue society as a whole has a problem.

Instead of dealing with bad parenting we turn our heads and throw money at more teachers, police and ultimately jail guards to compensate for the bad parents’ actions and the subsequent results. But then again faulting a 15-16 yr old for bad parenting is akin to a 2-3 year old sticking their hand in a flame. It's a catch-22. Both get burned but the injury to the new mother is far worse. Perhaps going after the sire's parent(s) as well, provided he was underage, for support and to recoup or limit the government's role as primary supporter would be a detriment?