Founding fathers liked taxed government health care

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

When someone points out your personal attacks and calls them classless, yet ignores your personal attacks and responds to the content of your post anyway, always best to double down and prove beyond a doubt you didn't deserve that respect

oooooooohhhhkaaaaay

what ever makes your brain happy.

Riot, you should move to a state that has medical marijuana. It will help your knee and your mind!

^^ see I'm giving out positive advice that is in your best interest

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

oooooooohhhhkaaaaay

what ever makes your brain happy.

Riot, you should move to a state that has medical marijuana. It will help your knee and your mind!

^^ see I'm giving out positive advice that is in your best interest

Your a nice person. Im sure Riot can tell us where all the money is going to come from to pay for this BS insurance. My guess is our brain dead and clueless Pres will take it from the military, retired military, and Social Security. Instead of of a %1.4 raise next year will be a %.5 raise. Yet alot of items a person has to have the price of it goes up.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Your a nice person. Im sure Riot can tell us where all the money is going to come from to pay for this BS insurance. My guess is our brain dead and clueless Pres will take it from the military, retired military, and Social Security. Instead of of a %1.4 raise next year will be a %.5 raise. Yet alot of items a person has to have the price of it goes up.

Why should retired military or any government employee get a guaranteed pent ion? The rest of us working stiffs are on our own with 401k's ira's or SEP's. You are against entitlements except those lining your pocket. I'm sick of supporting your worthless ass

And don't give me the horseshit about protecting me. There hasnt
been a need for that since the 1940's.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

Why should retired military or any government employee get a guaranteed pent ion? The rest of us working stiffs are on our own with 401k's ira's or SEP's. You are against entitlements except those lining your pocket. I'm sick of supporting your worthless ass

Im sick of a worthless person like you. Maybe this country needs to go to a draft. Im sure you would be too old to get drafted. You would more than likely be a draft dodger anyways. You should of found a job where you could get a pension. DONT BE A WHINY PERSON LIKE YOU ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE MILITARY? Have you served in any wars? Did you miss any time raising your children because of the military? I still have to work to support my family because my pension doesnt give me the luxury of not working. I LOVE IT YOUR JEALOUS AT ME BECAUSE I COLLECT A PENSION AND HAVE MUCH BETTER MEDICAL INSURANCE THAN YOU. I EARNED THE RIGHT TO HAVE IT. You had a chance when you was young to join the military more than likely. The military won't take a whiny person like you.

Im sick of the whiny FRAUD that you are.


If you don't like that the military gets a pension write to your congressman and have them laugh at you.

I also work and pay taxes just like you.

Didnt you mean PENSION VICE PENT ION?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im sick of a worthless SOB like you. Maybe this country needs to go to a draft. Im sure you would be too old to get drafted. You would more than likely be a draft dodger anyways. You should of found a job where you could get a pension. DONT BE A WHINY B TCH LIKE YOU ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE MILITARY? Have you served in any wars? Did you miss any time raising your children because of the military? I still have to work to support my family because my pension doesnt give me the luxury of not working. I LOVE IT YOUR JEALOUS AT ME BECAUSE I COLLECT AND HAVE MUCH BETTER MEDICAL INSURANCE THAN YOU. I EARNED THE RIGHT TO HAVE IT B TCH. You had a chance when you was young to join the military more than likely. The military won't take a whiny b tch like you.

Im sick of a whiny b tch that you are.

You joined because you had no other options youfukin moron. I am bringing it up to show what kind of hypocrite you are. I have no problem with military pensions but it sickens me to hear you harp about entitlements while collecting yours double****infisted. You are a worthlessfuk. Go cry to stEve to get your thread pulled *****.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

You joined because you had no other options youfukin moron. I am bringing it up to show what kind of hypocrite you are. I have no problem with military pensions but it sickens me to hear you harp about entitlements while collecting yours double****infisted. You are a worthlessfuk. Go cry to stEve to get your thread pulled *****.

I had other options you worthless SOB. Did the thought come to your worthless mind maybe I wanted to do some traveling? Da gee Tennessee. You have no problems with military pensions? Your the f ckin hypocrite. You cry to me about saying the military doesnt deserve them all the time chief. I see you learned how to spell pension correctly you troll. Again moron I didnt cry to Steve to get that thread pulled. Im more of a man than you ever was or ever will be. Go put your head back in Obama's ASS.

BTW I do have a degree in Accounting. SO I did have other options moron.

Im not getting any handouts to put my son through college like alot of peopel. I wouldnt want a handout from a snake like Obama.


hey you jerk before you go an put my family down we dont get handouts we pay for are childs college Im sure you are living off the ****ing government getting ****ing food stamps and anything else you can get.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I had other options you worthless SOB. Did the thought come to your worthless mind maybe I wanted to do some traveling? Da gee Tennessee. You have no problems with military pensions? Your the f ckin hypocrite. You cry to me about saying the military doesnt deserve them all the time chief. I see you learned how to spell pension correctly you troll. Again moron I didnt cry to Steve to get that thread pulled. Im more of a man than you ever was or ever will be. Go put your head back in Obama's ASS.

BTW I do have a degree in Accounting. SO I did have other options moron.

Im not getting any handouts to put my son through college like alot of peopel. I wouldnt want a handout from a snake like Obama.

Yeah Harvard was knocking on your door. LOL ... You are a racistfuk and I hate you with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im sure Riot can tell us where all the money is going to come from to pay for this BS insurance. My guess is our brain dead and clueless Pres will take it from the military, retired military, and Social Security.

No. The people who buy this BS insurance pay for it. To those private capitalistic companies who sell it to them and make a profit.

There is no insurance to purchase from the government.

The poor people on Medicaid will be paid for as they are now. Except the PPACA did do some financial adjustments to extend the life of the Medicaid trust by 12 years.

The government will give vouchers to those low income but not poverty-level people that can't afford insurance, to help them pay for a portion of it, based upon income. That is paid for in several ways, none of which involves SS, Medicare or the VA, or retired or military.

Seriously - here are the major provisions in the bill, and how it works, written in plain english, click on it and go read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act

Nobody says you have to like it, or agree with it - but you do have the responsibility to dislike or disagree with actual content in the bill, not imaginary, made up talking points of fear mongering.

See, the anger you hold over things in your imagination about this is probably raising your blood pressure, and I'm helping pay for your VA insurance. Preventive care is a good thing.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

The government will give vouchers to those low income but not poverty-level people that can't afford insurance, to help them pay for a portion of it, based upon income. That is paid for in several ways, none of which involves SS, Medicare or the VA, or retired or military..

Give me a break it's paid for in taxes and then those taxed get to wait in line with those who received 'vouchers' in many cases for the same Dr. test. It's nothing more than a massive expansion of medicaid.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Give me a break it's paid for in taxes and then those taxed get to wait in line with those who received 'vouchers' in many cases for the same Dr. test. It's nothing more than a massive expansion of medicaid.

So .. you don't like sharing a doctor with other people who didn't buy 100% of their own insurance? That's weird.

(the vouchers are for purchasing insurance, not healthcare)

Maybe there are superelite doctors and hospitals that are 100% insurance company or private pay, with no other payment plans, you can go to so you don't catch cooties waiting in line with other patients.

Right now I share doctors and hospitals with other people who have no insurance at all, so I'll be happy when they can finally afford to purchase insurance themselves (with some help) - it will lower my costs.

And I really don't care how other people pay their bills. I mostly worry about mine.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

So .. you don't like sharing a doctor with other people who didn't buy 100% of their own insurance? That's weird.

(the vouchers are for purchasing insurance, not healthcare).

The sharing is fine, the paying for their vouchers is where I have a problem. Not to mention the overcrowding of the entire healthcare system that will have no other choice than to reduce/ration care for everyone and the fraud that will surely accompany this and any other federal 'get well plan' that has ever been devised.

I believe the subsidizing of medical students in return for a certain amount of service in return is a great idea as these new Dr.'s could do internships and residencies at government run hospitals treating government supported patients. This would be constitutional IMO, allow those unable to buy insurance to be treated and no changes would be made to those who are happy with their current care.

[Riot]

Not to mention the overcrowding of the entire healthcare system that will have no other choice than to reduce/ration care for everyone

Those people are getting healthcare now, but only emergency - they are tying up emergency rooms and trauma centers for diabetes blood checks and colds/flu, sprains, etc!

Get them insurance so they get preventive care (lowering all our healthcare costs, because we pay for them in the ER), get them out of the ER and hospitals, and get them into a regular doctor's office where they belong.

I believe the subsidizing of medical students in return for a certain amount of service in return is a great idea as these new Dr.'s could do internships and residencies at government run hospitals treating government supported patients. This would be constitutional IMO, allow those unable to buy insurance to be treated and no changes would be made to those who are happy with their current care.

The government does that now - provides educational subsidies for doctors, they replay loans with service. The army does it, too. Ever see the show Northern Exposure? Yes, I agree expansion of those programs would be great. Trouble is, that puts a newly credentialed doctor who just came off 4 plus years of lowpaid work (intern, residency) and puts them right in another few years of low paid work. This is when people want to start families, etc. They are 35-40 years old before they then join a practice, and start to make any money to pay off student loans. Let alone buy the house, etc. That's why those programs are not popular with doctors.

I would rather have insurance costs lowered so more Americans can be insured, pay for their own insurance, all our costs go down for insurance because the pools are bigger, they start getting better healthcare for preventive care so everyone gets healthier, which brings all our costs down.

Rather than leaving them uninsured and depending upon others for charity.

Edit: Dell, have you heard what's happened in Arizona? Real death panels. Governor Jan Brewer has taken money away from anybody on the state medicaid that needs a transplant, to save money in the overall state budget. Two people have died already.

One person's operation was canceled the morning they were being wheeled into a surgery suite to get a new liver - a friend had died and given them the liver, but that was the morning Jan Brewer cancelled the funding. That person never got that liver.

Other state legislators are furious, and have come up with other ways to keep that program funded but cut the funding from non-life-threatening portions of the state budget, but Jan Brewer refuses to address it.

What do you think of that, Dell? When withholding money kills real people with real families? And they are not "freeloaders" on the state.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

oooooooohhhhkaaaaay

what ever makes your brain happy.

Riot, you should move to a state that has medical marijuana. It will help your knee and your mind!

^^ see I'm giving out positive advice that is in your best interest

My knee was fixed and is fine, thanks. Played indoor tennis on it two days ago. Lawsuit against insurance company for illegal rescission still pending. Doctor and hospital paid completely out of my pocket. Need to buy a saddle horse now that I can ride again.

But I'm sure you don't care, so just ignore all that.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

My knee was fixed and is fine, thanks. Played indoor tennis on it two days ago. Lawsuit against insurance company for illegal rescission still pending. Doctor and hospital paid completely out of my pocket. Need to buy a saddle horse now that I can ride again.

But I'm sure you don't care, so just ignore all that.

Hope you get your wish in getting a saddle horse.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Hope you get your wish in getting a saddle horse.

If you come to Lexington you can ride it

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you come to Lexington you can ride it

How nice of you to offer that to me.

[Nascar1966]

I took a job that gave me a pension and excellent medical care. Dont be jealous at what I have and you dont have. I earned it by working just like most of you people here work. I dont collect Welfare, Food Stamps, and free housing like other people do because they dont want to get off thier dead @ss and do the right thing and get a job. Im tired of my taxpaying money supporting deadbeats who don't want to find a job because they get the free handout. If your not collecting a pension not my fault. You should of found a job that would of given you a pension. Most of you here have no clue about military life and the strain it puts on a family.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I took a job that gave me a pension and excellent medical care. Dont be jealous at what I have and you dont have. I earned it by working just like most of you people here work. I dont collect Welfare, Food Stamps, and free housing like other people do because they dont want to get off thier dead @ss and do the right thing and get a job. Im tired of my taxpaying money supporting deadbeats who don't want to find a job because they get the free handout. If your not collecting a pension not my fault. You should of found a job that would of given you a pension. Most of you here have no clue about military life and the strain it puts on a family.

STFU

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im tired of my taxpaying money supporting deadbeats who don't want to find a job because they get the free handout.

Do you think that there are some, if not many or most, getting "government handouts" (Medicaid, unemployment, SCHIPS for kids, etc) that are not deadbeats? That these programs do serve as a safety net for our fellow Americans who are suffering a rough time? That folks get off these programs as soon as they can?

Yes, I agree there are deadbeats, but I do not think that is the majority of people getting these handouts.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

How nice of you to offer that to me.

It would probably be a more progressive horse, rather than a conservative horse, however