Machen

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Who does Dr. Allday vet for now? How many derby winners in a row did he have under his care?

Principally Todd Pletcher, Dale Romans & Tony Dutrow. Plus some other old friends like Neil Drysdale and Bill Cesare.

One Derby winner in a row I guess with Super Saver. Think the last before that was FuPeg, though he might have done some work with Monarchos but I'm not positive.

[asudevil]

Currently 100-1 at Wynn.

[Dahoss]

I'd like to take him at 100-1 to not be in the race.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'd like to take him at 100-1 to not be in the race.

Even Howard doubts his distance ability and with that breeding, he will be a stretch to get 9 furlongs.

[Kasept]

Neil Howard today on ATR on Machen, Aint No Tellin' and Grasshopper

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Neil Howard today on ATR on Machen, Aint No Tellin' and Grasshopper

Nice guy..told the audience slightly more then zero?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Is he in favor of Vet names and stats being listed in the form?

We've broached that topic, of which Thoro-Graph's Jerry Brown is a huge proponent, and I don't think Allday has any objection to it. But that concept is a quagmire in that there's generally more than one vet or equine service practitioner working on a given horse at any time.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Kasept

We've broached that topic, of which Thoro-Graph's Jerry Brown is a huge proponent, and I don't think Allday has any objection to it. But that concept is a quagmire in that there's generally more than one vet or equine service practitioner working on a given horse at any time.

Esp. at the lower levels.

Also, what do you do about the horses shipping in from off track? Honor system?

It would be a huge expense to police. The cheaters would just find a way around it. They could just use the listed vet for normal day to day activities and when they want to pop one, have Dr. Feelgood make a quick visit. If they're caught, they will have to give their horses to their assistants for 30 days.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

If an organization wants to make a policy work.... they make it work. I am not suggesting that this one notion solves a problem. However, sequenced with a series of changes it can tighten the noose.

I agree, but this issue is a horseplayer driven issue. The organizations, that could do anything about this specific issue, have no incentive to do anything about it.

What organization is going to step forward and invest the amount of money needed to kick the series of changes in gear? Would horseplayers step up to the plate and pay more for past performance information if the vets were listed, to help finance the needed effort? I doubt it.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Therein lies the rub. Regardless of how much money is available, an industry needs to run their business correctly to keep customers and grow the customer base (not, as you suggest, pass along costs to the customers). However, Horse Racing is constantly confused as to who the customer is. It is the gambler. Instead, the industry panders to the owners and trainers. They have, individually, more money. They are rich folk and have long histories and experiences with lobbying industry to get their way. Collectively, they have sold themselves as the customer when, in fact, they are not. Business' that do not make the necessary investments in land, labor, and resources in order to feed their business properly are generally poorly run and starve to death over time. The track that exhibits a "gamblers first" mentality will be a successful track. The incentive, by the way, is sustainability.

Again, I agree.

On this particular topic, the industry will need proof that their product (handle) is being hurt by cheating trainers or they will keep their collective heads in the sand and carry on status quo.

Pressure from the likes of Jerry Brown and message board nerds is not going to force them into acting. Prove to them that the cheating trainers are hurting their product and they will take note.

[mnmark]

Machen is entered at FG tomorrow. He is comming back quick so he must be doing well. I look forward to seeing how he runs tomorrow.

[DaTruth]

Sour, who closed to finish second behind Machen, returns in the 3rd race at FG on Monday.