NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What's the magic number ateam? How long do you give a coach. What if the Jets lost their first playoff game this year, do you fire Rex Ryan? He had two years and couldnt' get to the Super Bowl, so what good is he?? Is it 4 years? 6 years? 3 years? What is your magic forumla for how long a coach should have?

Yeah, that's a good comparison. Rex has coached two years, went to the AFC Championship game in his first and is in the playoffs in his second. Marvin Lewis has coached eight years and is 0-2 in the playoffs. THE SCALES ARE PERFECTLY BALANCED!

Carson Palmer should be fired.

And with that being said no sane man would want the Cincinnati job.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, that's a good comparison. Rex has coached two years, went to the AFC Championship game in his first and is in the playoffs in his second. Marvin Lewis has coached eight years and is 0-2 in the playoffs. THE SCALES ARE PERFECTLY BALANCED!

That's not a comparison. I'm not comparing anything. Where do you ateam, yourself, draw the line? When is enough time? Is going to the playoffs every year enough even if you never win a championship? Is that enough to keep your job? Is it 5 years of doing that until you win a championship? I simply like quiet coaches like Lewis is all. The 3 best coaches of my lifetime of the teams I follow were Mike Hargrove, Lenny Wilkens, and Marty Schottenheimer. None of the 3 won a championship, the fans and management got tired of them and they were let go and none of those teams has been as good since they left. None of the 3 could win the last game of the season as they always lost that last one...so they got canned.

I've seen 3 coaches in Cleveland with similar temperment to Lewis who had success get canned and none of those 3 teams have ever been as good since. Just because Lewis can't win titles in Cincy does not mean firing him will make the team better. I think it's just as likely they will get worse if they fire him is all. I've seen it happen many times over.

[ateamstupid]

Oh, cut the bullshit. He's had eight seasons, won zero playoff games and his results are getting worse. The guy should be gone.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Oh, cut the bullshit. He's had eight seasons, won zero playoff games and his results are getting worse. The guy should be gone.

Here's Bill Cowher's 7th, 8th and 9th seasons in Pittsburgh. 7-9, 6-10, 9-7. That's 22-26.

Not only zero playoff wins, but zero playoff games those 3 years. He had a few playoff wins at that point, but no titles, only one Super Bowl appearance. By his 14th season he finally won a title. They are the model NFL franchise. I prefer their method.

[ateamstupid]

Wow, you really have to be kidding at this point. That might be the worst cherry-picking I've ever seen. The guy had already gone 11-5, 9-7, 12-4, 11-5, 10-6 and 11-5 with 6 playoff appearances in the 6 years before that and went to a Super Bowl. And now you're comparing him to Marvin Lewis. You're terrible at debating.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Wow, you really have to be kidding at this point. That might be the worst cherry-picking I've ever seen. The guy had already gone 11-5, 9-7, 12-4, 11-5, 10-6 and 11-5 with 6 playoff appearances in the 6 years before that and gotten to a Super Bowl. And now you're comparing him to Marvin Lewis. You're terrible at debating.

I did not compare him to Marvin Lewis. As a separate entity I detailed Cowher's 7th. 8th and 9th seasons. I never compared how Cowher coaches a game to how Lewis coaches a game. Cowher had 6 good but non-championship years, much better than Noll's last 6 years. Lewis took the team to 2 division titles in 8 years after zero for the franchise the previous 12. Cowher improved the Steelers, then had 3 struggling years....the calm franchise stuck with him and it paid off. I can compare and say Lewis did improve the Bengal franchise then struggled this year. I can say that perhaps based on only this year it may be hasty to decide to fire him. I look at last year, they had the defending Super Bowl champions and the two participants in the AFC championship game in their division and they swept them and won the division. That my friend is a great coaching job...period, end of story.

I can compare how franchises behave and what to do. AFter what the Steelers had done championship wise with Noll, it would have made sense to fire a guy like Cowher after 3 terrible years, they didn't.

No, noone on this board can compete with me for presenting facts and logic to any debate. You come with stuff like look how the refs are cheating the Boston Celtics.

[dalakhani]

ON another note, what do you guys think about Rex Ryan being a swinger?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I did not compare him to Marvin Lewis. As a separate entity I detailed Cowher's 7th. 8th and 9th seasons. I never compared how Cowher coaches a game to how Lewis coaches a game. Cowher had 6 good but non-championship years, much better than Noll's last 6 years. Lewis took the team to 2 division titles in 8 years after zero for the franchise the previous 12. Cowher improved the Steelers, then had 3 struggling years....the calm franchise stuck with him and it paid off. I can compare and say Lewis did improve the Bengal franchise then struggled this year. I can say that perhaps based on only this year it may be hasty to decide to fire him. I look at last year, they had the defending Super Bowl champions and the two participants in the AFC championship game in their division and they swept them and won the division. That my friend is a great coaching job...period, end of story.

I can compare how franchises behave and what to do. AFter what the Steelers had done championship wise with Noll, it would have made sense to fire a guy like Cowher after 3 terrible years, they didn't.

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You're really grasping at straws. Cowher's production through his first 6 years absolutely obliterates Lewis'. You like Lewis because he's quiet, leave it at that. There's simply no argument for keeping him in Cinci and your pathetic comparisons of him to Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher clearly underscore that.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No, noone on this board can compete with me for presenting facts and logic to any debate. You come with stuff like look how the refs are cheating the Boston Celtics.

This might be the funniest thing you've ever said. All I've done in this thread is show you facts. All you've done is talk about how quiet he is, how you can't name anyone on the Bengals and how he's totally just like Rex Ryan and Bill Cowher.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No, noone on this board can compete with me for presenting facts and logic to any debate.

Oh my god.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Here's Bill Cowher's 7th, 8th and 9th seasons in Pittsburgh. 7-9, 6-10, 9-7. That's 22-26.

Not only zero playoff wins, but zero playoff games those 3 years. He had a few playoff wins at that point, but no titles, only one Super Bowl appearance. By his 14th season he finally won a title. They are the model NFL franchise. I prefer their method.

In all 9 of those seasons Cowher had a QB worse than Carson Palmer. He accomplished those winning seasons with Kordell Stewert, Bubby Brister, and Neil O'Donohue. When he got a better QB he was somehow able to win a SB. Marvin Lewis should be fired, if you strive for mediocrity as a franchise you should sell the team. Marvin Lewis is a very good Defensive coordinater but a mediocre head coach.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by 3kings

In all 9 of those seasons Cowher had a QB worse than Carson Palmer. He accomplished those winning seasons with Kordell Stewert, Bubby Brister, and Neil O'Donohue. When he got a better QB he was somehow able to win a SB. Marvin Lewis should be fired, if you strive for mediocrity as a franchise you should sell the team. Marvin Lewis is a very good Defensive coordinater but a mediocre head coach.

What evidence is there that after his knee surgery that Carson Palmer is a great NFL qb?? Or for that matter even a good one?? They won last year playing defense and running the football. Not because of Carson Palmer.

His name was Neil O'Donnell.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What evidence is there that after his knee surgery that Carson Palmer is a great NFL qb?? Or for that matter even a good one?? They won last year playing defense and running the football. Not because of Carson Palmer.

His name was Neil O'Donnell.

Palmer waas there since 2003. How come they couldn't play defense or run the ball this year? I'll help you with this before you cherry pick some other bull crap stats. Better coaches stopped the run and made Cincy adjust. They couldn't partially because of the coach. Better coaches also found ways to attack the defense the Cincy staff couldn't adjust. That is why he should be fired.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by 3kings

In all 9 of those seasons Cowher had a QB worse than Carson Palmer. He accomplished those winning seasons with Kordell Stewert, Bubby Brister, and Neil O'Donohue. When he got a better QB he was somehow able to win a SB. Marvin Lewis should be fired, if you strive for mediocrity as a franchise you should sell the team. Marvin Lewis is a very good Defensive coordinater but a mediocre head coach.

Brister wasn't the starter for Cowher. However, Tommy Maddox was.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Brister wasn't the starter for Cowher. However, Tommy Maddox was.

Maddox played well after the 3 years that that horseofcourse was referencing in his argument. You are mostly right about Brister, he only started a few games Cowher's rookie year.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Brister wasn't the starter for Cowher. However, Tommy Maddox was.

Tommy Maddox is also the answer to a trivia question. He was the first and only MVP in the XFL. Remember that league? Loved watching He Hates Me play. I forgot his name but loved his shirt.