NFL Coaching Changes: Who Should, Who Should Go

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

HiS coaching job last year was tremendous with a largely untalented team for the most part. I can't name their defensive line, I can't name any defensive back on their team off the top of my head. I can name their two overaged psycho wide receivers however, and yeah he is largely at fault for the failures of the team as he is head coach. Once Sam Wyche left the team has stunk. In his 8 years as coach the team was at least relevant at times which they never were the 12 years prior. The great Jets even had to play them in the playoffs last year. That's how good they were!! I'm not simply convinced how bad a coach he really is. I'm simply not as simple a person as you are eiother.

You're an idiot if you can't name any of their DBs. Hall and Joseph are one of the best CB tandems in the league. Odom's a beast when healthy on the DL and Peko's good too. Their roster was way better than 4-11 this year and some of the losses they've had are totally inexcusable.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're an idiot if you can't name any of their DBs. Hall and Joseph are one of the best CB tandems in the league.

I can name Revis however!! How big an idiot can I be? (wait, don't answer that!) I can name Haden and Brown too as I am a Browns fan!!

[horseofcourse]

Maybe not every human being on the planet is worth standing up for and defending, but I think Marvin Lewis deserves defense is all. He was far, far from a coaching disaster there in Cincinnati. Of course, I am also in the camp of keeping Mangini for another year at least. I'm not convinced he is a terrible coach either yet.

Wilford Brimley stand-in Holmgren will be the Browns coach next year.

[horseofcourse]

What's the magic number ateam? How long do you give a coach. What if the Jets lost their first playoff game this year, do you fire Rex Ryan? He had two years and couldnt' get to the Super Bowl, so what good is he?? Is it 4 years? 6 years? 3 years? What is your magic forumla for how long a coach should have?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

What's the magic number ateam? How long do you give a coach. What if the Jets lost their first playoff game this year, do you fire Rex Ryan? He had two years and couldnt' get to the Super Bowl, so what good is he?? Is it 4 years? 6 years? 3 years? What is your magic forumla for how long a coach should have?

Yeah, that's a good comparison. Rex has coached two years, went to the AFC Championship game in his first and is in the playoffs in his second. Marvin Lewis has coached eight years and is 0-2 in the playoffs. THE SCALES ARE PERFECTLY BALANCED!

Carson Palmer should be fired.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, that's a good comparison. Rex has coached two years, went to the AFC Championship game in his first and is in the playoffs in his second. Marvin Lewis has coached eight years and is 0-2 in the playoffs. THE SCALES ARE PERFECTLY BALANCED!

That's not a comparison. I'm not comparing anything. Where do you ateam, yourself, draw the line? When is enough time? Is going to the playoffs every year enough even if you never win a championship? Is that enough to keep your job? Is it 5 years of doing that until you win a championship? I simply like quiet coaches like Lewis is all. The 3 best coaches of my lifetime of the teams I follow were Mike Hargrove, Lenny Wilkens, and Marty Schottenheimer. None of the 3 won a championship, the fans and management got tired of them and they were let go and none of those teams has been as good since they left. None of the 3 could win the last game of the season as they always lost that last one...so they got canned.

I've seen 3 coaches in Cleveland with similar temperment to Lewis who had success get canned and none of those 3 teams have ever been as good since. Just because Lewis can't win titles in Cincy does not mean firing him will make the team better. I think it's just as likely they will get worse if they fire him is all. I've seen it happen many times over.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Maybe not every human being on the planet is worth standing up for and defending, but I think Marvin Lewis deserves defense is all. He was far, far from a coaching disaster there in Cincinnati. Of course, I am also in the camp of keeping Mangini for another year at least. I'm not convinced he is a terrible coach either yet.

Mangini's done a far better coaching job this season than Lewis has. The other problem with Lewis is that not only has he not won a playoff game, his performance is getting worse as his tenure progresses. After going 42-38 his first five years, he's 18-28-1 his last three. And those unbelievable losses against Tampa and New Orleans are on him. Just because he made the Bengals mediocre for a few years rather than terrible doesn't mean he gets the job forever.