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[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So if Kobe Bryant scores 40 against Memphis he's another Tony Campbell....regardless of what he does the rest of the season or during his career?

It's a horrible analogy for the reasons the last two posters pointed out.

That's a pretty bad analogy as well. One game vs. Memphis = 3+ months of the year? It'd be more like Kobe deciding to play in the D-League for over a quarter of the season.

He's obviously a very good rider who's had tremendous success in NY, but he has a history of taking the relatively easy career path, and it hurts his reputation. And until he rides against top riders all 12 months, that perception will still persist among some.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's a pretty bad analogy as well. One game vs. Memphis = 3+ months of the year? It'd be more like Kobe deciding to play in the D-League for over a quarter of the season.

He's obviously a very good rider who's had tremendous success in NY, but he has a history of taking the relatively easy career path, and it hurts his reputation. And until he rides against top riders all 12 months, that perception will still persist among some.

Actually it's a very good analogy in this instance. Ignoring his success against the best riders the rest of the year, in this case, is fitting the circumstance to suit an agenda.

You act like I suggested Memphis was his only game....I could have listed a quarter of the season against non-competition, but assumed that was implicit. The analogy is exactly right.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually it's a very good analogy in this instance. Ignoring his success against the best riders the rest of the year, in this case, is fitting the circumstance to suit an agenda.

You act like I suggested Memphis was his only game....I could have listed a quarter of the season against non-competition, but assumed that was implicit. The analogy is exactly right.

It is well documented that few people on the planet take analogies as seriously as Andy. Though for the record, I think we need further debate on this Kobe/Memphis issue. Andy could lose this one. COULD!!!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

It is well documented that few people on the planet take analogies as seriously as Andy. Though for the record, I think we need further debate on this Kobe/Memphis issue. Andy could lose this one. COULD!!!

I could have used Minnesota....or Sacremento....or the Clippers in the beginning of the season....or the Wizards......or the Nets.....or Cavs....or Detroit.....or the Warriors...or Pistons.....or Bobcats......but I didn't realize someone would embarrass themselves with the kind of response I got.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I could have used Minnesota....or Sacremento....or the Clippers in the beginning of the season....or the Wizards......or the Nets.....or Cavs....or Detroit.....or the Warriors...or Pistons.....or Bobcats......but I didn't realize someone would embarrass themselves with the kind of response I got.

But you should have. Considering the amount of time you have been here, I expect more, in all honesty.

I've decided that your analogy is valid and relevant, though poorly delivered. And this poor delivery has cost you the win. As much as I hate to say it, Ateam is the victor here.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

But you should have. Considering the amount of time you have been here, I expect more, in all honesty.

I've decided that your analogy is valid and relevant, though poorly delivered. And this poor delivery has cost you the win. As much as I hate to say it, Ateam is the victor here.

Thanks.

I laughed.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thanks.

I laughed.

And Dew is on the board after 44 months.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That's a pretty bad analogy as well. One game vs. Memphis = 3+ months of the year? It'd be more like Kobe deciding to play in the D-League for over a quarter of the season.

He's obviously a very good rider who's had tremendous success in NY, but he has a history of taking the relatively easy career path, and it hurts his reputation. And until he rides against top riders all 12 months, that perception will still persist among some.

In all fairness, and I'm not Dominguez's attorney, he stayed in Delaware as long as he did because of his family. He got to a point where he was ready to move them to NY and that's why he's there year round. He can also make a terrific amount of money riding the inner track in the winter.

Russell Baze riding in NoCal for his entire career and never even really giving SoCal a go is much more egregious than Dominguez riding at Delaware and the winter in NY for a few years before riding in NY full-time. I get as much out of the Dominguez-Baze comparison as most people do out of the Zenyatta-Peppers Pride version.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually it's a very good analogy in this instance. Ignoring his success against the best riders the rest of the year, in this case, is fitting the circumstance to suit an agenda.

You act like I suggested Memphis was his only game....I could have listed a quarter of the season against non-competition, but assumed that was implicit. The analogy is exactly right.

I don't agree. Kobe doesn't make his schedule, Dominguez does. When Kobe plays against crappy teams, it's because the NBA told him to. He wouldn't be actively choosing to play against garbage teams for 3 months. No one's ignoring his success against top riders, the point is that he's not testing himself 12 months of the year like other top riders do and that puts some people off.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

In all fairness, and I'm not Dominguez's attorney, he stayed in Delaware as long as he did because of his family. He got to a point where he was ready to move them to NY and that's why he's there year round. He can also make a terrific amount of money riding the inner track in the winter.

Russell Baze riding in NoCal for his entire career and never even really giving SoCal a go is much more egregious than Dominguez riding at Delaware and the winter in NY for a few years before riding in NY full-time. I get as much out of the Dominguez-Baze comparison as most people do out of the Zenyatta-Peppers Pride version.

As Coach once said, no other jockeys have families. Only Dominguez. While I agree that the Dominguez/Baze analogy is ultimately unfair, it seems inarguable to me that Dominguez is still taking the easy road 3+ months of the year and he has a history of doing that.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't agree. Kobe doesn't make his schedule, Dominguez does. When Kobe plays against crappy teams, it's because the NBA told him to. He wouldn't be actively choosing to play against garbage teams for 3 months. No one's ignoring his success against top riders, the point is that he's not testing himself 12 months of the year like many other riders do and that puts some people off.



As Coach once said, no other jockeys have families. Only Dominguez. While I agree that the Dominguez/Baze analogy is unfair, it seems inarguable that Dominguez is still taking the easy road 3+ months of the year and he has a history of doing that.

His wife = NBA front office.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't agree. Kobe doesn't make his schedule, Dominguez does. When Kobe plays against crappy teams, it's because the NBA told him to. He wouldn't be actively choosing to play against garbage teams for 3 months. No one's ignoring his success against top riders, the point is that he's not testing himself 12 months of the year and that puts some people off.

You and Chuck must be having a competition on who is willing to belabor a poor opinion longer. I admire your fortitiude....but not much else ( in this case ).

I still like you.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

As Coach once said, no other jockeys have families. Only Dominguez. While I agree that the Dominguez/Baze analogy is ultimately unfair, it seems inarguable to me that Dominguez is still taking the easy road 3+ months of the year and he has a history of doing that.

This is purely an opinion question....but if Dominguez went to FLorida for the winter how do you think he would do?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

This is purely an opinion question....but if Dominguez went to FLorida for the winter how do you think he would do?

I think he would do very well. I don't know if he'd dominate like he does in NY, but he'd be in the top 2 or 3 riders. Which is why it's disappointing that he doesn't go.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think he would do very well. I don't know if he'd dominate like he does in NY, but he'd be in the top 2 or 3 riders. Which is why it's disappointing that he doesn't go.

With the exception of Leparoux, he basically dominates the rest of the Florida colony the other 9 months of the year. I just don't see it as a big deal that he stays in NY instead of mixing it up with Manny Cruz and Ariel Smith.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

With the exception of Leparoux, he basically dominates the rest of the Florida colony the other 9 months of the year. I just don't see it as a big deal that he stays in NY instead of mixing it up with Manny Cruz and Ariel Smith.

Are those really the guys who are successful there? C'mon dude, for whatever reason, he's taking the easy road for three months, just like he did in Delaware for a number of years. The point isn't that he's not a good rider, it's that it's disappointing at this stage in his career he still essentially rides in the minor leagues for a quarter of the year.