12/26 (SA): Malibu, La Brea (G1's); Beaufort (G2); CA Champion (R)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

In what races specifically do you think speed was carried by the track?

I'll have to go back and watch the replays, but I thought The Factor (wow, exciting and speedy) was unexpectedly untireable" in the final 16th, I thought Arresting Officer, Smiling Tiger both lasted longer than expected, and Twirling Candy changed leads in the final strides to the wire yet didn't lose position (and broke the Bid's record?). And the final race (only watched it superficially) - didn't they go around from the backstretch home?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll have to go back and watch the replays, but I thought The Factor (wow, exciting and speedy) was unexpectedly untireable" in the final 16th, I thought Arresting Officer, Smiling Tiger both lasted longer than expected, and Twirling Candy changed leads in the final strides to the wire yet didn't lose position (and broke the Bid's record?). And the final race (only watched it superficially) - didn't they go around from the backstretch home?

Longer than you expected? That doesn't make a track speed favoring. When I think of a track as speed favoring, I think of it being very difficult for horses to make up ground on the horses in front. I didn't see that at all today.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Longer than you expected? That doesn't make a track speed favoring. When I think of a track as speed favoring, I think of it being very difficult for horses to make up ground on the horses in front. I didn't see that at all today.

Then, you, too, are free to bet against my terribly uneducated opinion. Or semantics. My opinion is the firmer the track, the faster the track, the less tiring the track, the more effortlessly the fastest horses hold their speed (while tiring) while closers have a more difficult time gaining round on them (all exhausted horses of dissimilar running style are not equal in the final two furlongs on a very firm track)

And if you find out what my "agenda" is, let me know

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then, you, too, are free to bet against my terribly uneducated opinion. Or semantics. My opinion is the firmer the track, the faster the track, the less tiring the track, the more effortlessly the fastest horses hold their speed (while tiring) while closers have a more difficult time gaining round on them (all exhausted horses of dissimilar running style are not equal in the final two furlongs on a very firm track)

And if you find out what my "agenda" is, let me know

It's not semantics. The results of today do not represent a speed favoring track. A fast track does not necessarily mean a speed favoring track. You seem to be confusing the two.

I think you should go back and watch the races, especially the ones where you think speed was carried.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It's not semantics. The results of today do not represent a speed favoring track. A fast track does not necessarily mean a speed favoring track. You seem to be confusing the two.

I think you should go back and watch the races, especially the ones where you think speed was carried.

Do you think the track played equally fairly to all running styles today?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you think the track played equally fairly to all running styles today?

I have only seen each race twice, but at this point yes. A horse like Thirtyfirststreet couldn't win on a speed favoring track. Horses that were 8th and 9th early in the La Brea ran 2-3 in the race.

[Riot]

Then we disagree on how the track was playing.

We agree in that I also mentioned Thirtyfirststreet as a closer (who did close) but I feel the track changed very quickly into the stakes. Was it like Keeneland dirt? Heck no. We'll see what the figure guys do with it.

I did think the paths seemed to play very fairly inside to out, and it is amazing what great condition the track was in, considering all the rain they've dealt with.