Hollywood takes out half-page ad for Zenyatta's HOTY candidacy

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Its not whether I agree or disagree with him, it's his manner. Look at Guats post above, that describes pretty much how I feel. Not to mention the fact that he should be banned for his rather vicious attacks on Vic.

Banned? For what? People get shredded like that daily on here and they don't get banned.

Guat's post is ridiculous. Vic loves the attention. It's why he posts as VJ Stauffer.

[gaut10]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Banned? For what? People get shredded like that daily on here and they don't get banned.

Guat's post is ridiculous. Vic loves the attention. It's why he posts as VJ Stauffer.

how's it ridic?... i never addressed stauffer's character (never met him), only what was irresponsibly posted.

you are right, people do get shredded daily. i am not trying to "stick up" for stauffer. only replying to bogs offer.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Banned? For what? People get shredded like that daily on here and they don't get banned.

Guat's post is ridiculous. Vic loves the attention. It's why he posts as VJ Stauffer.

And that doesn't really make it right. Especially when he shows up out of the blue with his obnoxious posts. Hey, if you like the guy, that's fine. I don't. He and Rock Hard Ten should have a cage match.

[DaTruth]

Who would have thought that a thread with Zenyatta in the title would turn out like this?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

And that doesn't really make it right. Especially when he shows up out of the blue with his obnoxious posts. Hey, if you like the guy, that's fine. I don't. He and Rock Hard Ten should have a cage match.

I guess my issue is the only reason people seem to care is because it's directed at Vic. If Rare Bog was saying the same things to Rock Tard you wouldn't be calling to have him banned.

It's just sort of funny to me. Like Vic is royalty because he takes time out to rub elbows with us peons.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I guess my issue is the only reason people seem to care is because it's directed at Vic. If Rare Bog was saying the same things to Rock Tard you wouldn't be calling to have him banned.

It's just sort of funny to me. Like Vic is royalty because he takes time out to rub elbows with us peons.

You bring up a good point. I guess the guy just rubbed me wrong. I come on a few times a week to catch up on threads and just thought he was a little over the top.

As far as Vic, I don't really have any reason to defend him, but it does seem as if he does get blasted a lot and I really don't understand why. I think he's a pretty good track announcer and seems to offer some good insight on here.

[blackthroatedwind]

A lot of attacking the poster going on around here instead of disagreeing with the message. Typical internet crap.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

A lot of attacking the poster going on around here instead of disagreeing with the message. Typical internet crap.

And then a poster gets attacked for attacking a poster for picking on another poster who was attacking that poster. That's the type of shiat that pisses me off.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

And then a poster gets attacked for attacking a poster for picking on another poster who was attacking that poster. That's the type of shiat that pisses me off.

You need a playbill to keep track of all the actors in this drama.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

You need a playbill to keep track of all the actors in this drama.

Did you know that the Publisher of Playbill, Phil Birsh, owns horses?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

You need a playbill to keep track of all the actors in this drama.

Basically, Stauffer made the $253,000 year with Rosario comment on a different board.... where it went totally unquoted. He was praised widely in subsequent posts in the thread.

The young so-called Vigilante/Crusader (who thinks I'm a gay douche) decided to call him out here - where a pile-on would have a much better chance of succeeding .. because dozens of posters at the other board would love to fondle Vic's grapesack.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

1. The game revolves around bettors and without bettors it will fail
Agree 100%
OK... good start.


2. The current average age of horse racing bettors is close to one billion years old
Saw younger people than that during my many trips to the spa this summer.
Come on dude. Saratoga is an apparition and you know that. An anomaly of the highest order, and in many ways most of what is right with racing. Visit a OTB, a teletheater, Charles Town, and horse book in Vegas, even Gulfstream. Horse racing bettors are old. Why? Because other gambling markets appeal (for numerous reasons) to younger bettors.


3. Horse racing does not do anything (or, at most, very little) correct to attract new bettors and therefore is dying
Disagree
Me too. However, it bares noting that the takeout is too high, there is no direct marketing either positive or negative that taps into the poker market, there is no fluffing of whales at most tracks because of state wagering laws, etc. etc.


4. Horse racing is viewed by younger bettors (like 18 year-olds such as myself) as being a fixed, corrupt game that one cannot win at.
Really?
Yes, really. It's a problem. I come in contact with thousands of novice bettors and there is very little belief that the results are something other than 1. completely random or 2.completely non-random (fixed). I'm not making this up. Personally, I think when people lose they lack the ability to blame themselves for having a bad opinion. Blaming their losses on "fixing"is an unfair and incorrect out, but it is pervasive.

5. This is very unlike, for instance, the message that poker has sold to reinvent itself
I have no idea what to think of this
My bad, I was unclear in linking this to the previous point. Poker has achieved great success with younger bettors for several reasons. First and foremost is the FORMAT TEACHES PEOPLE HOW TO BET CORRECTLY. Everyone feels they can win. The general format in horse racing may catch a man a fish and feed him for a day, but does not teach him HOW to fish and feed himself for life

6. The reason horse racing is seen as fixed and corrupt is because, well, it is
Wow..that's a pretty optimistic view. If this is really the case, then why are you still involved?
Sometimes I wonder. I'm obviously over the top here. It's not fixed or corrupt all the time.... in fact it is very rare. But there are moments. The Cedros affair for instance among many others. Yes, there are moments.


7. Ordinary bettors (people that do/would bet) believe that unless you are an industry "insider" it is impossible to beat the game. (I could offer as evidence myriad examples)
I have thought this before myself, so therefore, I agree.
You are wise to agree. I know guys that follow trainers out of the paddock to the betting window. I know guys that only bet horses when they get calls from "Atlantic City". I know people that ask mexican waiters who is going to win a race, assuming that they must know because they work horses in the morning. I know people who think jockey changes are sure signs that the agent knows a horse is going to be gassed. It's pervasive. I could go on.

8. Worse yet, for some reason, the industry allows for (and in some case encourages) this corruption and faulty marketing strategy to perpetuate itself.
Don't really know what to think of this.
Me neither. I'm over the top again and explained poorly. It ties back to #5. Until the ordinary bettor has the ability to be educated with correct methodology, then the ordinary bettor will continue to turn to these mostly erroneous "insider tips". I mean seriously.... just look at the Zenyatta Breeders Cup arguments to see how poor of an understanding bettors have of the methodology of picking winners.

9. I am a crusader. I am a vigilante. I will address these issues when they rear their ugly head.
You go! Kick some ass!
Word to your mother. I think i did.

10. Vic is an ugly head.
Vic in many ways embodies a lot of the issues I enumerated above. His job is to call races objectively. That's it. He's good at it and far better than most. That said, I believe what he does, in public, on these boards is disgraceful. I believe he seeks, creates and clearly enjoys "insider worship" for lack of a better term. I believe, he presents himself as the ambassador of the sport in order to hype his own self-brand.

Pardon me if I'm mistaken, since this thread is encyclopedic in length, but were you just answering your own points?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

Next time I will use color coordination to separate my original points from another poster's replies and, if I'm feeling fancy, will use yet another color to separate my responses to those replies.

I grant your pardon.

I just ate some moose. It was delicious.

[fpsoxfan]

9. I am a crusader. I am a vigilante. I will address these issues when they rear their ugly head.
You go! Kick some ass!
[COLOR="Blue"]Word to your mother. I think i did.[/color]



The Internet. The only place you can have beer muscles without the beer. What a Jackass. LOL

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

I see you were obviously not interested in having a real discussion.

I also see you are extremely poor at identifying things that are clearly said tongue-in-cheek (a common problem for people with IQ's under 100).

I rest my case.