DADT possible vote tonight!

[Riot]

How about the completely hypocritical jackwads who said, "Oh, I'm in favor of repeal, I'll vote for that!" but just voted to not bring it to the floor so they could vote on it! Two-faced political suck ups. And Blanche Lincoln? Loser.

Let's be really clear what happened here: DADT needs 51 votes to be repealed. It had 60. But the GOP filibustered it, including Senators who said they would vote in favor of repeal (!) so the 57 filibuster break votes was not sufficient, so it could not be brought to the floor and repealed.

The minority of 40 prevented the overwhelming majority of 60 in the US Senate from passing a bill to repeal DADT.

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), a lead proponent of repeal, promised after the vote to introduce stand-alone legislation quickly to repeal the ban. "Reid [told Lieberman] he would bring it up by the end of lame duck," a Reid aide said. "That is all that I know right now. And Reid will cosponsor it."

Sens. Brown and Murkowski had previously said they supported repeal of DADT but demanded an "open amendment process" to ensure Republicans can make changes to the defense bill. Reid, in turn, offered Collins 15 amendments -- 10 for Republicans and five for Democrats -- but she countered with a request for four days of floor debate.

Democrats on the floor conferred closely with Manchin, apparently in hopes of changing his vote. If he switched and Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) showed up to vote, Democrats would've gotten to 59, putting even greater pressure on Murkowski, but particularly on Brown, who is up for reelection before a liberal electorate in 2012.

An aide to Reid said that he wasn't immediately aware if the Majority Leader knew that Manchin was going to vote no. The West Virginia Democrat did, however, express his desire to review the issues more fully and was giving off indications that his vote was gettable. "I would say that if he was somehow the 60th vote, I do not think he would have voted the way he did," the aide said.

Reporters in the gallery watched closely for Lincoln, who ultimately arrived a considerable time after the vote ended. "I would like to have been recorded as voting yes," she said to a largely empty chamber. Lincoln, whose two-term career ends at the end of this session, was told that the rules do not allow such a revision. "Had I been here I would have voted yes," she said.

It's clear that Republicans don't want to hold a vote on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,'" Reid said. "They want to block a bill on this at all costs, even if it means not passing the defense authorization bill for the first time in 48 years."

The defense authorization bill also includes a number of other provisions, including bonuses for service members and improved health coverage for troops, Reid pointed out. He said the bill is necessary and must move forward.

[Antitrust32]

yep... it makes sense to kick somebody out of the military who was willing to die for the USA, was the best man in his platoon, saved lives, took enemy life, was a fucl<ing hero... because some jealous person decides to out him.

yep, smart America at work.


arab translators are so over rated anyway.

[Antitrust32]

they dont need to change the PhillyBuster rules.

The rule that needs to change is TERM LIMITS. 2 TERM LIMITS in the Senate.. 4 term limits in the house.

[Riot]

In the previous two years, all of the following had more than enough votes, Constitutionally, to pass into law, and were passed or passable by the House, but were filibustered by the Senate GOP so that those votes could not even be taken.

In the new Senate, where the Democrats still hold the majority, these bills would still pass.

Health care with a public option
Tougher financial reform
A more aggressive recovery package that actually would have lowered unemployment
The DREAM act
A climate and energy policy
Renewal of the nuclear START treaty
Repeal of DADT
A middle class-only tax cut

I want my country back. I'm in favor of our Constitution. I'm in favor of voting for a House of Representatives, and a Senate, and allowing them to vote on the issues facing our country.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

In the previous two years, all of the following had more than enough votes, Constitutionally, to pass into law, and were passed or passable by the House, but were filibustered by the Senate GOP so that those votes could not even be taken.

In the new Senate, where the Democrats still hold the majority, these bills would still pass.

Health care with a public option
Tougher financial reform
A more aggressive recovery package that actually would have lowered unemployment
The DREAM act
A climate and energy policy
Renewal of the nuclear START treaty
Repeal of DADT
A middle class-only tax cut

I want my country back. I'm in favor of our Constitution. I'm in favor of voting for a House of Representatives, and a Senate, and allowing them to vote on the issues facing our country.

A bit hypocritical no? Even for a former republican!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

A bit hypocritical no? Even for a former republican!

Hypocritical? That middle America co-opts a rightwing talking point? What's hypocritical about following our Constitution, and demanding our elected officials do the same? We have a small group working hard at blocking our governmental, Constitutional processes. Most of the issues, above, would pass, but I'm sure some would not. The point is, that our Constitution allows us to elect a House, and a Senate, and the Constitution says the important issues of our day get to be brought up, discussed, and voted upon by our elected representatives. The GOP is completely blocking our Constitutional processes. Enough is enough.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Hypocritical? That middle America co-opts a rightwing talking point? What's hypocritical about following our Constitution, and demanding our elected officials do the same? We have a small group working hard at blocking our governmental, Constitutional processes. Most of the issues, above, would pass, but I'm sure some would not. The point is, that our Constitution allows us to elect a House, and a Senate, and the Constitution says the important issues of our day get to be brought up, discussed, and voted upon. The GOP is completely blocking our Constitutional processes. Enough is enough.

I highlighted the DREAM ACT and wanting your country back.

How does educating, giving citizenship and then employing ILLEGALS get the country back other than putting legals on the 3 yr unemployment plan? The illegals that sign onto the military are obviously taking the place of someone as we have no draft and I thought we (WE BEING LEGAL AMERICANS) have an unemployment problem?

But then again you agreed with the President saying we couldn't afford NOT to let the tax relief expire for those over 250K but now somehow have the money to not only continue the Bush plan for all but ALSO put in a payroll and SS tax reduction? What did we hit the lotto and I don't know it?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

In the new Senate, where the Democrats still hold the majority, these bills would still pass.

Health care with a public option Bad idea
Tougher financial reformbad idea
A more aggressive recovery package that actually would have lowered unemploymentLOL
The DREAM actidea that needs a lot to tweaking
A climate and energy policybad idea
Renewal of the nuclear START treatywill eventually get done
Repeal of DADTwill happen eventually
A middle class-only tax cutbad idea

I want my country back. I'm in favor of our Constitution. I'm in favor of voting for a House of Representatives, and a Senate, and allowing them to vote on the issues facing our country.

LOL. Stop the whining, deal with it. The GOP said very clearly they would not deal with anything else until the tax cuts were taken care of. The Pres has a deal with them but the democrats cry and cry and cry and then cry some more when the GOP does exactly what they told them they would do. I'm sorry to alert you to the fact that gays in the military is slightly less on the minds of most Americans right now with a gigantic tax increase staring them in the face.

And since the GOP seems to have learned some lessons from their ass beating in 2008, you'd better get used to it.
At least you will have plenty to complain about for the next 10 years.

[Riot]

LOL. Stop the whining, deal with it.

I'm sure the Dems will. The GOP will have to find a new way to be completely obstructionist when the Senate changes their parliamentary rules January 2011 to alter how the filibuster can occur The GOP will have to grow up, take responsibility and put their public vote on the record, rather than preventing votes from even happening.

And since the GOP seems to have learned some lessons from their ass beating in 2008, you'd better get used to it.
At least you will have plenty to complain about for the next 10 years.

Seriously? Sarah Palin? Mitt Romney? Mike Huckabee? Newt Gingrich? Tim Pawlenty? The group of unelectables?

[Antitrust32]

Newt is the one who should be elected, if the American people knew what was good for them.