Most Absurd Things Said by 'Respected' Journalists About Zenyatta

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

if I had one of those buttons it might actually get me to go to her keeneland ceremony this afternoon....for those of you not blessed to live in the bluegrass...its 16 degrees here today with a wind chill of 1...hope she wasn't clipped recently.

What hardship could possibly be too great to miss a chance to see the greatest living being of all time?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You think she is the best horse ever...but I don't have a clue? Makes sense. She was a very nice horse. Horses like Skip Away, Holy Bull, Formal Gold and Cigar would have trounced her. I don't see many arguements for them as best horse ever.

LOL

God, why even go back that far?

A healthy Ghostzapper would've had her spinning her wheels six lengths back at the wire.

[Sightseek]

http://www.zenyatta.com/

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

http://www.zenyatta.com/

Oh em gee.

http://www.zenyatta.com/for-kids

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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Linny

The reason we don't know "where Z stands" in terms of all time greatness is because she was not challenged to take on the best runners out there, every time, every race.

Even so, I think it's pretty clear-cut where she stands. She pretty much ran the same exact race over and over on synthetic and dirt. There were times when she failed to run a figure as high as 100 - but those were all very slow paced 8.5f races...where no horse could have run fast under the circumstances.

She was better at 10fs than 9fs - and a touch better at 9fs than 8.5f. With a true pace to work with - and at a 10f distance - and being trained to deliver a peak race from John Shireffs - she's a 110 type horse under those most optimal conditions.

Many top class deep closers over history are as consistant as her. Festin pretty much lived in that 110-to-114 range every race and did it while traveling on a killer schedule and facing some rock solid top older males. He did run a 121 one time at 9fs - but only because Farma Way and Jolie's Halo engaged in a vicious pace war through 44 and change fractions which gave Festin the setup of a lifetime - and allowed him to go from 17 lengths back midway on the backstretch to 7 in-front at the wire.

You have to rate Zenyatta the #1 older female of the last decade - even though there were top females capable of running a few points better on peak and holding that form for as many as five straight races like a Riboletta did.

When you go back to names like Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Lady's Secret, Bayakoa .. absolute killer older females...that's where Zenyatta clearly start to rate a cut below.

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[Antitrust32]

i bet she's wishing she was in So Cal still..

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What hardship could possibly be too great to miss a chance to see the greatest living being of all time?

I talked to one zentard today who was planning to go to keeneland around 2 o'clock to make sure they had a spot at the paddock rail....I told him to save me a spot.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Even so, I think it's pretty clear-cut where she stands. She pretty much ran the same exact race over and over on synthetic and dirt. There were times when she failed to run a figure as high as 100 - but those were all very slow paced 8.5f races...where no horse could have run fast under the circumstances.

She was better at 10fs than 9fs - and a touch better at 9fs than 8.5f. With a true pace to work with - and at a 10f distance - and being trained to deliver a peak race from John Shireffs - she's a 110 type horse under those most optimal conditions.

Many top class deep closers over history are as consistant as her. Festin pretty much lived in that 110-to-114 range every race and did it while traveling on a killer schedule and facing some rock solid top older males. He did run a 121 one time at 9fs - but only because Farma Way and Jolie's Halo engaged in a vicious pace war through 44 and change fractions which gave Festin the setup of a lifetime - and allowed him to go from 17 lengths back midway on the backstretch to 7 in-front at the wire.

You have to rate Zenyatta the #1 older female of the last decade - even though there were top females capable of running a few points better on peak and holding that form for as many as five straight races like a Riboletta did.

When you go back to names like Personal Ensign, Princess Rooney, Lady's Secret, Bayakoa .. absolute killer older females...that's where Zenyatta clearly start to rate a cut below.

I agree. She was a model of consistency but I don't think she ever was asked to run against the best horses available, even if there were no Bayakoa's or Lady's Secret's much less Skip Away's or Cigars. Hell, she didn't even face Life at Ten at her best, which is pretty good, by today's standards.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Oh em gee.

http://www.zenyatta.com/for-kids

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"You know... for kids!"

[the_fat_man]

Most ABSURD things said by in-the-know: board posters/ reputable handicappers and figuremakers:

1) Quality Road is a lock for the Classic --- earlier this year
2) QR will have NO TROUBLE getting 10F
3) QR will win the Classic --- their Classic pick
4) Z won't hit the board in the Classic-- she's too slow
5) RA is better than Z
6) RA 'feels like an overlay' at 0.45:1 in the Personal Ensign
6) Blind Luck is better than Z -- easily better
7) Z got a perfect trip in the Classic


Clearly, I value all your opinions and hang on every post in threads like this. How soon we forget.

[slotdirt]

Not all of us can make fat charts. Good point.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Most ABSURD things said by in-the-know: board posters/ reputable handicappers and figuremakers:

1) Quality Road is a lock for the Classic --- earlier this year
2) QR will have NO TROUBLE getting 10F
3) QR will win the Classic --- their Classic pick
4) Z won't hit the board in the Classic-- she's too slow
5) RA is better than Z
6) RA 'feels like an overlay' at 0.45:1 in the Personal Ensign
6) Blind Luck is better than Z -- easily better
7) Z got a perfect trip in the Classic
8) My 0 - 38 streak at my favorite FAIR track
Clearly, I value all your opinions and hang on every post in threads like this. How soon we forget.

FTFY FATTY

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Most ABSURD things said by in-the-know: board posters/ reputable handicappers and figuremakers:

1) Quality Road is a lock for the Classic --- earlier this year
2) QR will have NO TROUBLE getting 10F
3) QR will win the Classic --- their Classic pick
4) Z won't hit the board in the Classic-- she's too slow
5) RA is better than Z
6) RA 'feels like an overlay' at 0.45:1 in the Personal Ensign
6) Blind Luck is better than Z -- easily better
7) Z got a perfect trip in the Classic
8) That 0 for 66 streak on DT...

Clearly, I value all your opinions and hang on every post in threads like this. How soon we forget.

FTFY Freddy...

[Sightseek]

I can't believe they took her blanket off!

Over 1,000 froze to see her:

http://www.keeneland.com/Lists/News/...m.aspx?ID=6618

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

FTFY Freddy...

at of 38 I canceled my subscription to Fatty Charts

[robfla]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Most ABSURD things said by in-the-know: board posters/ reputable handicappers and figuremakers:

1) Quality Road is a lock for the Classic --- earlier this year
2) QR will have NO TROUBLE getting 10F
3) QR will win the Classic --- their Classic pick
4) Z won't hit the board in the Classic-- she's too slow
5) RA is better than Z
6) RA 'feels like an overlay' at 0.45:1 in the Personal Ensign
6) Blind Luck is better than Z -- easily better
7) Z got a perfect trip in the Classic


Clearly, I value all your opinions and hang on every post in threads like this. How soon we forget.

now I realize that I am not "in-the-know", but I do recall reading a post of your's that said:

If there's a BET AGAINST in the Classic, it's Blame. He can get a piece but a lot has to go right for him to win.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ighlight=blame

post #17

good job TFF -

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by robfla

now I realize that I am not "in-the-know", but I do recall reading a post of your's that said:



http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ighlight=blame

post #17

good job TFF -

With those Fat Charts, you get what you pay for...