Republicans blocking START treaty for political gain

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm not ignoring that. That point taken. Granted.

So you are for voting AGAINST extending our ability to [try and] continue physically going into Russia, actually counting their arsenal, checking out their nuclear sites, seeing their capabilities, etc.?

No but i dont think a delay in ratifing it causes any real concerns.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No but i dont think a delay in ratifing it causes any real concerns.

It's already been delayed for months by the GOP. Only the GOP. What is their holdup? Holdup after holdup? Delay after delay to ratifiying a routine treaty renewal that allows us to continue to do what we've been doing since Reagan. It is the same treaty ratified by the GOP presented under Bush. It has always been viewed as necessary for national security. It originated under Reagan. This treaty is a Reagan idea. What is the problem, GOP?

Oh, yeah: Mitch McConnell has said that the GOP's primary electoral responsibility the next two years is to make sure Barack Obama doesn't get re-elected.

That's taking one's election to run our country seriously! What a bunch of freekin' losers the GOP has turned into. They put their political careers above our country. 100% of the time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's already been delayed for months by the GOP. Only the GOP. What is their holdup? Holdup after holdup? Delay after delay to ratifiying a routine treaty renewal that allows us to continue to do what we've been doing since Reagan. It is the same treaty ratified by the GOP presented under Bush. It has always been viewed as necessary for national security. It originated under Reagan. This treaty is a Reagan idea. What is the problem, GOP?

Oh, yeah: Mitch McConnell has said that the GOP's primary electoral responsibility the next two years is to make sure Barack Obama doesn't get re-elected. That's taking one's election to run our country seriously! What a bunch of freekin' losers the GOP has turned into. They put their political careers above our country. 100% of the time.

Do you seriously think the START treaty is going to affect the 2012 elections? On the list of topics that voters care about, treaties to destroy redundant nuclear weapons is very low on the average Americans priority list.

The Democrats are no different than the GOP. They just act all high and mighty like some of their more notable supporters.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you seriously think the START treaty is going to affect the 2012 elections? On the list of topics that voters care about, treaties to destroy redundant nuclear weapons is very low on the average Americans priority list.

I think the public is tired of two years of blanket GOP obstructionism, and the obstruction of a long-standing treaty the GOP originated and has upheld over the years, with full endorsement, only now being obstructed because it's not up for renewal under a GOP President - yeah, I think that puts the GOP in a light the public is gonna care about - alot - when they see it on C-span in the next four weeks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the public is tired of two years of blanket GOP obstructionism, and the obstruction of a long-standing treaty the GOP originated and has upheld over the years, with full endorsement, only now being obstructed because it's not up for renewal under a GOP President - yeah, I think that puts the GOP in a light the public is gonna care about - alot - when they see it on C-span in the next four weeks.

Yes and they proved that by supporting Democrats so strongly in the last election...

Of course you refuse to acknowledge that the Democrats now will have that same role in another thread. Oh wait it is justified when the Democrats say they will block compromise between the President and the GOP...


I know, I know, now you will say I am making stuff up or you will toss out your favorite word "straw man" or I'm putting words in your mouth....anything to avoid the fact that your extreme bias against the GOP routinely causes you to exaggerate small or non-issues, act like quotes regardless of context are facts and distort any subject by throwing reams of crap from partisan sites at us regardless of its validity or correlation.

[Riot]

Of course you refuse to acknowledge that the Democrats now will have that same role in another thread.

No I didn't. I said that when the Democrats have completely obstructed as the GOP has done, let us know. The GOP has a written record we can judge against. Go read it on the Senate website - every single vote and filibuster is there.

The minority leader Mitch McConnell just publically said the whole purpose of the GOP is to prevent Obama from gaining re-election. Funny stance, a strictly political one, considering they were just elected on jobs and the economy.

Oh wait it is justified when the Democrats say they will block compromise between the President and the GOP...

No. The GOP has actually obstructed Senate business, including the passage of routine business, repeatedly and severely. And see Mitch McConnell, above.

You keep misquoting Pelosi and the Dems purposely in spite of being called on it several times. All that came out of one meeting - via an attendee - was that Pelosi is going to serve as counterpoint to the President to keep him from going too far right with the GOP, and referring mainly to the tax cuts. The Dems haven't shown any strength yet. Let us know if they get up the gumption to actually do something.

I find it hilarious that you are outraged over the mere possibility of the Dems saying they will stand by their guns to force the GOP to compromise with them, when the GOP has already literally broken the record by multiples for filibuster and obstruction, the list of backed-up and incompleted work is legion and thick, and you simply ignore the measurable reality of what they have done.

I know, I know, now you will say I am making stuff up or you will toss out your favorite word "straw man" or I'm putting words in your mouth....anything to avoid the fact that your extreme bias against the GOP routinely causes you to exaggerate small or non-issues, act like quotes regardless of context are facts and distort any subject by throwing reams of crap from partisan sites at us regardless of its validity or correlation.

You did make up and exaggerate about what the Dems said they were going to try. You love changing the subject to straw men, look at this thread. You haven't discussed the subject of the Republican Senators comments about their party once, except to pretend it isn't there and call it crap from a partisan site and question it's validity!

Sorry - the quotes are in context, and the quotes are real, and the quotes show the problem with GOP obstruction is so serious that leadership within the party is commenting upon it and chastizing their own party for it.

Pretending it isn't so and attacking the messenger won't change that. Nice try.

[Cannon Shell]

What?